Euge
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Spending the weekend in Paris with Le Wife and spotted the car I’d probably get if I was going EV. First time I’ve seen the new Renault 5 on the road.
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Well some brands aren't even a front but are openly outright owned by the state. Cars having cameras, GPS, microphones and usually also with access to your phone....
US wasn't importing the cars themselves anyway, but indeed are using way too much supply chain for almost everything ....
Sam
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Yep, look at the bipartisan, supreme court backed and now active tiktok ban.
And you are right, every business in China is partially owned by the state and can be instrumentalised at their will.
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Not partially, 100% state owned are at least MG, Maxus, Hongqi, Changan, not sure what others in UK. Western brands are into joint ventures and thereby also part owned there. But I personally still would make the difference between partial and fully owned. That said, not sure if owning e.g. a Tesla will be so much better in the future.
Basically all electronics, with phones and modern cars in front, privacy is more and more an illusion...
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I would still love to know what it is Elon gave Xi in order to have the only wholly owned foreign company in China
Post 9/11 7/7 and 21/7 i’m not sure it exists in the west either
SckSqzBngBlo
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Exactly, since both China and the west are now surveillance states I would actually prefer to see China succeed since they seem to start less wars than the west.
I'm heading to the bush to get away from modern life soon anyway.
I'm heading to the bush to get away from modern life soon anyway.
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That's... insane
One party state, no democracy, defacto emperor, state ownership of economy... I guess I should be grateful that you and I both live in systems where nonchalant advocacy for the success of an enemy has no downstream consequences to our liberty.
As for no wars, let's see what happens with Taiwan.
Michael Knight
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I think it’s absolutely disgraceful. Us plebs are being force fed the EV, because regular ICE cars will still come with a hefty £15k surcharge making them almost impossible for anyone to attain (£75k Mk3 GRY anyone?) whilst those rich enough can carry on buying high performance cars with no penalty. For those of us who love hot hatches from mass production manufacturers this is the worst of both worlds. But what do you expect from the Uniparty. Pull up the drawbridge and two fingers to everyone else.
Michael Knight
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its reality already here, basic gr costs 73k€..
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As far as going Green the whole EV is boarding on a complete scam.
The dirty Nickel mining in Indonesia by Chinese companies is being exposed.
It's really mind boggling what a complete transition would cost in the long run. I shudder thinking about it.
The toxic process to make these batteries is shocking. Green, give me a break.
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The dirty Nickel mining in Indonesia by Chinese companies is being exposed.
It's really mind boggling what a complete transition would cost in the long run. I shudder thinking about it.
The toxic process to make these batteries is shocking. Green, give me a break.
How China’s investment in Indonesia's nickel industry is impacting local communities
Unchecked nickel mining in Sulawesi, Indonesia, is harming local communities. What are the Indonesian government and the Chinese companies investing in the mines doing to mitigate the environmental consequences?
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I think what's the most frustrating part is the slice of the global emissions pie for passenger vehicles is something like 7%. So even if we all switched tomorrow it's hardly a massive dent, not to mention it means a chunk of those emissions just move into the energy generating segment instead as we'd all need to charge them.
All parts need to contribute and demonstrably this part of society has a hard time changing their ways. And it's more like 10%.
At system level where 98% is mere transportation, I think it's a total waste to burn liquid material from the earth and dispose the remaining in the atmosphere, which weighs roughly a million times less. Each GRY will produce roughly 20-40x it's own weight in CO2 over it's lifetime depending on mileage. Electrification is by far the most effective strategy to change but so far only 5% of vehicles have been replaced and the total emissions are barely reduced as the total transportation needs keep growing.
It is unfortunate that it affects driving enthusiasts that truly extract joy from combustion engines, but at large we are a minority and again as demonstrated here, it's a challenge to say who should be allowed to continue burning carbon and who not.
Of course bad mining practices should be exposed, but that doesn't mean (logical lapse) that at large it is worse than the impact of global oil and gas, when e.g. half of all (dirty) ships on the oceans are transporting oil products, and that's only a small part of the complete delivery chain. Globally the oil industry receives 7 trillion dollar in subsidies acc to the IMF only last year, and this has been going on very long.
I've thoroughly enjoyed my years burning hydrocarbons, much more than what your average commuter gets out of it, but I also realise it's not sustainable... There is hope for driving enjoyment going electric, honestly I'm loving it, and I hope more can find it with manufacturers that cater for the different needs.
Yes, globally the energy segment is already at 29% renewable last time I checked. As it further increases total energy use actually goes down due to much increased efficiency of electrified vs combustion efficiency.
On a hard run my 5 N does approx 40kWh/100km equivalent of 4,5l/100km 63mpg gasoline, while my much smaller GRY would do 20l/100km 14mpg on a similar run...
I share your sentiment but for me it's a tough one to swallow. I have little confidence in my fellow man. My career has been in heavy industry, in particular power, where the pressure to change is nowhere near at the same level or pace as it is in the automotive industry. The conversations being had today aren’t far off what they were 15 years ago. Whilst it may appear we are all going greener, as we see renewable power increasing, and some fossil fuel plants closing, in some ways it’s the opposite. We have now also reached the second ‘dash for gas’ event, gas turbine manufacturers order books are full, globally there are dozens of gas power plants being built, what for? Predominantly to power data centres.
We burn billions of cubic feet of gas just to power these data centres which produce megawatts of heat as a byproduct, yet here I am being told to save the plant by driving an electric car.
Hydrocarbons being burnt for transportation can be deemed as a waste, but so are most things us humans consume, take Helium, it’s a finite resource, which is critical in medical and scientific equipment, it has enough escape velocity to leave the atmosphere, when its gone its gone, yet we put it in party balloons without a single thought.
Anyway I digress, that was pretty morbid. Back onto EVs...
We burn billions of cubic feet of gas just to power these data centres which produce megawatts of heat as a byproduct, yet here I am being told to save the plant by driving an electric car.
Hydrocarbons being burnt for transportation can be deemed as a waste, but so are most things us humans consume, take Helium, it’s a finite resource, which is critical in medical and scientific equipment, it has enough escape velocity to leave the atmosphere, when its gone its gone, yet we put it in party balloons without a single thought.
Anyway I digress, that was pretty morbid. Back onto EVs...
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