GR Yaris (Gen 2) GR Yaris Mk2 (MY2024->)

Florens said:
I already have a front and rear strut brace which will at least help a bit in the spots where the forces are highest.
To genuinely gain structural rigidity from a cage you'd probably have to go for a full weld in cage.
I don't think that a bolted cage will do that much.
Given that our MK1s Chassis is already very rigid I'm not that fussed.
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forces are highest in control arms / subframe, not in strut tops. (talking about directional changes, not jumping)
 
Michael Knight said:
forces are highest in control arms / subframe, not in strut tops. (talking about directional changes, not jumping)
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You're absolutely right, didn't take those attachment points into account!
For some reason I visualized those parts as being separated from the chassis but they've got to be mounted somewhere ;)
 
For those hesitating to switch from MK I to MK II mainly for the DACT, another thing to bear in mind is the reliability of that Auto Gearbox. Even though Toyota is highly reliable, and that they have tested that DACT for over 15 000km, it is at the same point as when the MK I was launched with it's new 3 cylinder engine G16E-GTS.
More to hear about it.
 
micsub said:
For those hesitating to switch from MK I to MK II mainly for the DACT, another thing to bear in mind is the reliability of that Auto Gearbox. Even though Toyota is highly reliable, and that they have tested that DACT for over 15 000km, it is at the same point as when the MK I was launched with it's new 3 cylinder engine G16E-GTS.
More to hear about it.
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And yet as we’ve found the engine is bullet proof unless you start playing around with it.
 
The only way I would go for the MK2 is if the feeling in the car while driving makes a huge difference. Other than that, I see no reason I would swap this magnificent car !
 
Ono said:
The only way I would go for the MK2 is if the feeling in the car while driving makes a huge difference.
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A difference for the better then? E.g. I've sat in GRY with a much lower seat position and it felt very very different, like a different car really. But not necessarily better - great for a track tool, less so for a road/rally tool....
 
Onehp said:
A difference for the better then? E.g. I've sat in GRY with a much lower seat position and it felt very very different, like a different car really. But not necessarily better - great for a track tool, less so for a road/rally tool....
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I am more of a stalker on this forum, and I totally agree with keeping the B raod vide of this car instead of a tracktool one. Therefore, if I feel better when driving the MK2 in the winding mountain roads, I might consider the swap.
 
Ono said:
I am more of a stalker on this forum, and I totally agree with keeping the B raod vide of this car instead of a tracktool one. Therefore, if I feel better when driving the MK2 in the winding mountain roads, I might consider the swap.
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Which is, from what I understand, also your mindset Onehp ?
 
Onehp said:
A difference for the better then? E.g. I've sat in GRY with a much lower seat position and it felt very very different, like a different car really. But not necessarily better - great for a track tool, less so for a road/rally tool....
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That is an interesting take, it must partially depend on the drivers height also. At 190cm I feel that going ~6-7 CM lower has made the ergonomics much better without impacting my view outside negatively. I think there's a compromise to be had there but on the MK1 the seating position just wasn't it for me. If my height was somewhere in the 17X range the original seating position would probably have been great though.
 
Florens said:
That is an interesting take, it must partially depend on the drivers height also. At 190cm I feel that going ~6-7 CM lower has made the ergonomics much better without impacting my view outside negatively. I think there's a compromise to be had there but on the MK1 the seating position just wasn't it for me. If my height was somewhere in the 17X range the original seating position would probably have been great though.
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I'm also 190 and I like the seating position, the problem for me if more the height of the roof :giggle:
 
Sorry did not mean to be unnuanced, ergonomics are very individual and personal tast and of course 20mm added adjustability is postive. Just not necessarily a requirement for everyone... Aka a difference isn't always necessarily an improvement
 
Florens said:
That is an interesting take, it must partially depend on the drivers height also. At 190cm I feel that going ~6-7 CM lower has made the ergonomics much better without impacting my view outside negatively. I think there's a compromise to be had there but on the MK1 the seating position just wasn't it for me. If my height was somewhere in the 17X range the original seating position would probably have been great though.
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Same here.
Had a bit of laughter today as watching GR Yaris mk1 video from carwow and there was complaint of too high seating position - meanwhile the space between drivers head to the roof was something like 20cm so bit silly comment.

Yes it of course depends on size and body ergonomics.
 
It's the passenger seat that's the issue as it's not height adjustable and the engineers decided to go past 10 and set it to giraffe feeding tennis umpire height, but seeing as how I never sit there it's not really an issue at all.

If I sat in the passenger seat more, I might be tempted by the Mk 2. Which would actually solve the main issue with the Mk 2 - the three letters that must not be uttered - as I wouldn't be driving it.
 
Humptydumptyhadabigone said:
There was a concept* for the next gen RS Focus which didn't get past the counters of beans. Same front drive set up with 260kW ish from the 2.3 duratec and then about 75-100kW electric drive to the rear. Hybrid 48V system with no 12V starter or alternator and just the 48V system on the flywheel providing both. Dead in the water.

*engineering concept told to me by one of the engineers...
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I worked at Ford at the time and this was the mk4 Focus RS rumour going around. Based on how good the focus ST is it would have been quiet something! I’d fully planned to have it as my next car but then the idea was canned and the GRY came out so guess where the money I’d saved went…
 
AlphaDelta said:
I worked at Ford at the time and this was the mk4 Focus RS rumour going around. Based on how good the focus ST is it would have been quiet something! I’d fully planned to have it as my next car but then the idea was canned and the GRY came out so guess where the money I’d saved went…
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I did the same. I was told that the concept was vetoed by Ford US because you know no one drives hatchbacks any more and can it be adapted into the Mustang?
 
Humptydumptyhadabigone said:
I did the same. I was told that the concept was vetoed by Ford US because you know no one drives hatchbacks any more and can it be adapted into the Mustang?
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And now the strategy is commercial vehicles and American style electric SUVs with recycled classic nameplates, it’s what Europeans want apparently… what have they done to the brand 😢 At least Toyota’s got the right idea!
 
AlphaDelta said:
And now the strategy is commercial vehicles and American style electric SUVs with recycled classic nameplates, it’s what Europeans want apparently… what have they done to the brand 😢 At least Toyota’s got the right idea!
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Ford must have been a little bit surprised with the success of the GRY and GRC, and probably by the Hyundai N cars as well, I would think.
 
CerN said:
Ford must have been a little bit surprised with the success of the GRY and GRC, and probably by the Hyundai N cars as well, I would think.
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I originally was rooting for the Fiesta RS to happen (loved my first car a Fiesta), also had one of the first 3 cyl turbo Fords just out of engine curiosity, when the GRY was announced I knew it was my perfect 'Ford' 😅🤣
 
CerN said:
Ford must have been a little bit surprised with the success of the GRY and GRC, and probably by the Hyundai N cars as well, I would think.
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Ford really missed a trick by not releasing their own little last hurrah for petrol cars and made everyone's dream come true with a Final Fiesta RS... oh well! :cry:
 
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