GR Yaris (Gen 2) GR Yaris Mk2 (MY2024->)

6mt said:
One thing that's confusing to me is how every review of the new MK2 goes on and on about its improvements. It's like, after digging through all these reviews, articles, and videos, you'd think Toyota totally botched the MK1. It's almost like they're saying the MK1 is a complete disaster with an endless list of problems. Seriously, is it actually that terrible? I'm asking because I'm nearing 2,000 km in my MK1, and with all this talk, you'd think the car's about to fall apart any second - that's the kind of vibe I'm getting. Now, everyone's harping on about the MK1's diff and engine overheating issues.
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Mk1 is quite good - just different and more original recipe. Every car has its strongs and weaks if you take it to extremes.
 
No much complaints MK2 being more powerful than the mighty GRMN - and of course GRMN will get the same power upgrades as it already likely had the components from revised GRC engine. And GRMN alltogether different approach being as competition centric vs. consumer vehicle.
 
Michael Knight said:
No much complaints MK2 being more powerful than the mighty GRMN - and of course GRMN will get the same power upgrades as it already likely had the components from revised GRC engine. And GRMN alltogether different approach being as competition centric vs. consumer vehicle.
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GRMN owners will get the option to upgrade to match. According to the JPN website there will also be a plaque for owners who upgrade.
 
johnybigarms said:
If you want them features for £26.5k and have amazing fun, buy the Hyundai i20N
It’s amazing value, makes the GRY look expensive, has a better interior and can be tuned to be as quick for very little money, What car hot hatch of the year 2023….I have one so can recommend with driver experience.
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Just put my '21 plate GRY CP up for sale to do exactly this. Picking up the i20N on 22nd :cool:
 
6mt said:
I think the market should decide when to stop using regular gas cars, not the officials in Brussels. A lot of people around the world don't want to buy EVs, even though they're being heavily advertised.

The EV car market is collapsing atm. The not-so-great sides of EVs, like their cost, impact on the environment, and how customers are reacting, are finally getting more attention now. Car dealers and companies are freaking out, but it seems like the politicians aren't paying attention yet.

I'm not saying EVs won't be important in the future. But right now, we're moving to EVs too fast without being ready for it. So, I think we'll still see ICE cars for at least 10 more years, maybe even 20. But this could be different in different countries.

I think the next update for the GR Yaris won't just be a small change. It'll probably be a completely new design.
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Much as I'd like to think that the market would decide, I suspect that's not the case.

It has taken lots of ongoing legislation etc to get far cleaner and quieter petrol and diesel engines to be the norm, and places where these changes have been implemented are definitely more pleasant places to be. I may be of the older generation that recalls cities being black with diesel emissions. I'm not keen to go back to that.

When you think of the market driving change, let's be aware that there's a significant market to remove or defeat environmental devices on existing vehicles in the pursuit of a little more power and a little (or lot) more noise, but very little to make vehicles emit less.

These changes need to be driven by legislation otherwise they are not going to happen, and without legislation there is no incentive for the manufacturers to innovate. As they have demonstrated with the steps through the Euro stages, things can be achieved without the results being a great step backwards.

The situation around existing EVs is a tricky one. I suspect that there's an awful lot of misinformation or exaggeration out there fuelled by the ICE lobby., and by those that believe that moving to ever-decreasing emissions is impacting their basic human rights. Whether the future is electric, or hydrogen or really tightly would elastic bands, I don't know, but I'm pretty sure that we do need to move away from burning fossil fuels, and expecting this to be market driven without that market getting a significant nudge is very unlikely.
 
RichM said:
Nice fleet - have always fancied an i3. Is it pure EV or range extender? We have had a Skoda Yeti, from new in 2012, been brilliant and hoping to eek it out another few years while kids learning to drive, then may look at replacing with Duster, seems cut from same cloth as Yeti
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Loved my Yeti. It handled surprisingly well and with 170ps was just about fast enough to be fun. And of course it would happily rattle over a muddy field and could take load of stuff to the tip without any complaints. Comfy beast too.

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coldcuppatea said:
Why not have a GR Yaris for fun and an electric chariot for daily duties? Works for me anyway 😜 love EV power and 🦖 juice in equal measures 👌🏻

Oh, and a Dacia Duster because that should be compulsory.

£55 to do 2700 miles in the last 2 months in the i3 btw…
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I prefere an X5 for the daily stuff the GRY for B road fun and V8 E92 M3 Garage queen for summer motoring noise utopia :-)
 
6mt said:
One thing that's confusing to me is how every review of the new MK2 goes on and on about its improvements. It's like, after digging through all these reviews, articles, and videos, you'd think Toyota totally botched the MK1. It's almost like they're saying the MK1 is a complete disaster with an endless list of problems. Seriously, is it actually that terrible? I'm asking because I'm nearing 2,000 km in my MK1, and with all this talk, you'd think the car's about to fall apart any second - that's the kind of vibe I'm getting. Now, everyone's harping on about the MK1's diff and engine overheating issues.
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That is the standard fanfare for media outlets. You "need" to hype the new thing to be invited to the next events and get early access to the latest products.

The eye-opener for me was when reading my German sports car magazine and on the introduction of the current BMW 3 series (G20) a few years ago, they wrote that the model before (F30) was not really that sporty, and surely not as sporty as its predecessor (E90). And they also wrote that the engineers at BMW confirmed that. But throughout the life-cycle of the previous-generation (F30) you could not find any remark pointing in that direction.

Manufacturers really have to "fu** up" a new model significantly (from a sports enthusiast point of view) to get not so favourable press from the get-go. The only obvious criticism in that regard was for the current-gen Mini which grew much bigger and heavier, thus losing the "go kart feeling" which was so much praised by the motoring press. I wonder what this "go kart feeling" was anyway, and what an Elise or Caterham driver would think about the term in context with the Mini.

So just enjoy all the media attention for the GR Yaris Mk II, and appreciate the technological improvements, but don't let this sour the experience with your Mk1 Yaris. I think it won't be too far behind the overall performance of the Mk II, for sure not on public roads. Btw, the drag race between the three GR Yaris (Mk1 and Mk2 Manual and Auto) was really bad with seemingly no practice runs before the drag races were shot.
 
Duke said:
Loved my Yeti. It handled surprisingly well and with 170ps was just about fast enough to be fun. And of course it would happily rattle over a muddy field and could take load of stuff to the tip without any complaints. Comfy beast too.

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Yep, many tip runs with ours too. It's a mini transit van within the 30 seconds it takes to whip the rear seats out 👌
 
sb-harald said:
So just enjoy all the media attention for the GR Yaris Mk II, and appreciate the technological improvements, but don't let this sour the experience with your Mk1 Yaris. I think it won't be too far behind the overall performance of the Mk II, for sure not on public roads. Btw, the drag race between the three GR Yaris (Mk1 and Mk2 Manual and Auto) was really bad with seemingly no practice runs before the drag races were shot.
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Yeah, looking even just at other Carwow vids, Matt Watson himself has managed to get under the claimed 0-60 in his Yaris, a GR did a 12.5s qtr mile in the dry, and even managed 13.6s in the wet.

Maybe the track was slightly uphill?

All a bit odd, but I guess they want to flatter the new car and not piss Toyota off.
 
Duke said:
Yeah, looking even just at other Carwow vids, Matt Watson himself has managed to get under the claimed 0-60 in his Yaris, a GR did a 12.5s qtr mile in the dry, and even managed 13.6s in the wet.

Maybe the track was slightly uphill?

All a bit odd, but I guess they want to flatter the new car and not piss Toyota off.
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Yes the fact that he didn’t raise it “we previously did quicker in another video - click here to see it” I suspect is to keep his invites coming back.
 
sb-harald said:
That is the standard fanfare for media outlets. You "need" to hype the new thing to be invited to the next events and get early access to the latest products.

The eye-opener for me was when reading my German sports car magazine and on the introduction of the current BMW 3 series (G20) a few years ago, they wrote that the model before (F30) was not really that sporty, and surely not as sporty as its predecessor (E90). And they also wrote that the engineers at BMW confirmed that. But throughout the life-cycle of the previous-generation (F30) you could not find any remark pointing in that direction.

Manufacturers really have to "fu** up" a new model significantly (from a sports enthusiast point of view) to get not so favourable press from the get-go. The only obvious criticism in that regard was for the current-gen Mini which grew much bigger and heavier, thus losing the "go kart feeling" which was so much praised by the motoring press. I wonder what this "go kart feeling" was anyway, and what an Elise or Caterham driver would think about the term in context with the Mini.

So just enjoy all the media attention for the GR Yaris Mk II, and appreciate the technological improvements, but don't let this sour the experience with your Mk1 Yaris. I think it won't be too far behind the overall performance of the Mk II, for sure not on public roads. Btw, the drag race between the three GR Yaris (Mk1 and Mk2 Manual and Auto) was really bad with seemingly no practice runs before the drag races were shot.
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Good old marketing 🙈
 
GRY_CAA said:
Just put my '21 plate GRY CP up for sale to do exactly this. Picking up the i20N on 22nd :cool:
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You won’t feel you have gone backwards, it’s that good, may need a tune to get the same performance you’ve had, but it’s a bargain by comparison to GRY, which I love but felt it cheap as hell inside, I think the Mk2 is much better inside, and may entice me this time round, enjoy the i20N
 
Ladies, don't get your knickers in a twist. The new version has more power, and therefore, it's faster. The drag race serves as a performance comparison between the platforms, allowing us to see the delta between them. The crucial factor is ensuring the test is performed under identical conditions with as fair a start as possible—and it more or less was. I agree on some days, with some conditions, and some luck you can get into 4's no problem, but the same logic needs to be applied to the new car too

Additionally, it should surprise no one that an automatic is faster than a manual. With 8 gears and the same top speed, it's clear that the gears have more leverage and spend more time within the power band. Not to mention, it also benefits from not having a meatbag slowing the process with their dirty paws on the clutch and gear knob.

I think it's subjective whether you prefer the new version over the original. It also boils down to whether you think the extra cost is worth it. I think there is a little bit of butthurtitis going on here. Your Yaris is every bit as beautiful, as capable and is amazing hand-built homologation car it was a week ago

I take significant issue with those who criticise Toyota for continuing to innovate and release a second version. As if they were under contract that you were buying the original car so you can profit of someone else not having it, scalp the market later on, or just to keep it in the garage. Now, more people will get to experience owning one of these amazing cars. There will be more spare parts available, more development, and a larger aftermarket scene. What I admire about a lot of owners here, unlike other cars of the same pedigree a lot of them are actually driven and not rotting away as showpieces in some garage

Anyway, if you belong to that group, screw you and I am glad Akio Toyoda is doing what he is. Maybe in 10 years time, we will have an opportunity to upgrade to a Version 4, with a hybrid powerplant and the same crusty 3 cylinder in the front with 700BHP combined. That would be fun. Future is looking bright
 
The biggest issue for car makers today is the fines of £15000 per ICE car sold over the the expected EV sales percentage, this years it’s 18%, then next year it’s 24% then the year after 28%, by 2030 it’s 80% and 2035 100%
So if Toyota sell 17 EVs and 83 ICE cars this year they incur a £15000 fine for not selling 18 (18%), they can buy other car manufactures allowance from the likes of Tesla who clearly have spare allowance, but that must be at a cost agreed by both parties.
This is set in law and so it’s going to be hard to keep ICE car development going, hence why it’s a refresh at best for ICE cars today.
 
My local GR centre told me today that there were less than 300 cars coming to the uk, around 60 to the dealers and the rest to online orders. The immediate overs will likely be crazy and may dissipate as quickly as they come on.

Offered one at list I would change over but no way am I paying the overs that it may likely attract.
 
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