GR Yaris 👎 Negatives - what annoys, disappoints, puzzles and generally irks you about the GR Yaris?

Morning Folks .. maybe its me but...
1) The seat belt drivers side when in use covers the levers that allow you to adjust the seat back and height. Most likely my stumpy legs and Beer belly lol
2) As mentioned lots - the eternal faff to switch everything off when you've switched on ... Edge of tomorrow/ Ground Hog day ...

Otherwise perfect - for me - what a shopping trolley
 
Why are the row of buttons so small to adjust the rear window defrost etc ? And no , I don’t have chubby fingers !
 
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Bronson said:
It’s not an issue with the car but the intrusive ‘safety’ features which are a result of the legislation. The lane departure assistant in practice can be far from safe. Yanking the steering wheel out of my hand whilst I’m trying to pass a cyclist so that the car is now aiming back at them is just unsafe. Safety features work at their best when they are the least intrusive and work seamlessly in the background. Lane departure is usually an irritation and occasionally a danger, in all sorts of vehicles. I suppose it’ll only get worse with speed restrictors.
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Try using your indicator's it seems to help.
 
kinboshi said:
Why? You don't need to indicate when pulling back into a lane you should be in... 🤔
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Where does it state that?

7. Multi-lane carriageways (133 to 143)​

Lane discipline​

133
If you need to change lane, first use your mirrors and if necessary take a quick sideways glance to make sure you will not force another road user to change course or speed. When it is safe to do so, signal to indicate your intentions to other road users and when clear, move over.

www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk

Multi-lane carriageways (133 to 143)

If you need to change lane, first use your mirrors and if necessary take a quick sideways glance to make sure you will not force another road user to change course or speed.
www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk
 
Steve said:
Where does it state that?

7. Multi-lane carriageways (133 to 143)​

Lane discipline​

133
If you need to change lane, first use your mirrors and if necessary take a quick sideways glance to make sure you will not force another road user to change course or speed. When it is safe to do so, signal to indicate your intentions to other road users and when clear, move over.

www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk

Multi-lane carriageways (133 to 143)

If you need to change lane, first use your mirrors and if necessary take a quick sideways glance to make sure you will not force another road user to change course or speed.
www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk
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Well, I don't always indicate, but I do always take a quick sideways glance (which isn't necessary apparently). I've got those the wrong way round it seems!
 
kinboshi said:
Why? You don't need to indicate when pulling back into a lane you should be in... 🤔
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Roadcraft (the Police drivers manual which tends to be used by the IAM etc) used to say "Give a signal whenever it could benefit other road users" so you should asses whether someone would benefit from seeing that signal and only deploy if suitable. As long as pulling back into lane 1 isn't going to be a surprise to other vehicles then there should be no need to indicate.

Roadcraft has been updated however so now it reads "Give a signal whenever it could benefit other road users. You may also need to give a signal to override lane-changing technology"

Irrespective of this, I'm delighted that I fitted one of Yuri's Lane Keep Assist Delete modules so I don't have to worry :)
 
I've been turning it off for a few years, I've never needed it on previously. I gave it a week but it tried to keep me on the wrong side of the road after some road works 🤦‍♂️
 
Gyp said:
Roadcraft (the Police drivers manual which tends to be used by the IAM etc) used to say "Give a signal whenever it could benefit other road users" so you should asses whether someone would benefit from seeing that signal
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Exactly this! Nice to see it confirmed.

I only indicate if to not do so would inconvenience another driver. Obviously this requires you to be aware of the road and other cars at all times. So many drivers seem to be on autopilot not even processing what’s going on in front of them let alone behind. Indicators apparently give them the right to pull out immediately whatever the situation is around them. It’s a signal of intention not action!

Personally speaking and because of this I do turn off the lane assist as I hate the wheel tugging.
 
grydoc said:
Exactly this! Nice to see it confirmed.

I only indicate if to not do so would inconvenience another driver. Obviously this requires you to be aware of the road and other cars at all times. So many drivers seem to be on autopilot not even processing what’s going on in front of them let alone behind. Indicators apparently give them the right to pull out immediately whatever the situation is around them. It’s a signal of intention not action!

Personally speaking and because of this I do turn off the lane assist as I hate the wheel tugging.
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It's easier to use the indicator always than to have an accurate model of what other drivers want from you. When I see someone on a motorway drift left without indicating (like @kinboshi) it's unusual enough to become the focus of my attention. I may need to judge if they're doing it because they're changing lanes or because they're distracted and I should stay away from them.

My point being, 'whenever it could benefit other road users' is very very broad.
 
The way I was taught (by an ex-police driver) was that you should indicate to users that you are about to do something they may not necessarily expect.

So, you would always indicate before, say, pulling out from lane one to lane two to pass a truck, but if lane one is completely empty in front of the truck then the truck driver should expect you to pull in anyway so indication is not necessary. All you are doing is returning to the default road position (MLMs be damned!)

If you were pulling back in front of the truck and there is traffic in the inside lane ahead, then you should indicate as this (literally) signals your intention. 10 seconds is my rule-of-thumb guide to determine whether I'll pull back in or not; if I'd spend less than 10 seconds before having to pull out again then I'll stay in lane two/three/whatever.

This was the way I always drove in the UK, but driving on the continent (where rules vary) plus the advent of lane-keeping systems as being discussed here, mean I always indicate both ways nowadays.
 
ksc said:
It's easier to use the indicator always than to have an accurate model of what other drivers want from you. When I see someone on a motorway drift left without indicating (like @kinboshi) it's unusual enough to become the focus of my attention. I may need to judge if they're doing it because they're changing lanes or because they're distracted and I should stay away from them.

My point being, 'whenever it could benefit other road users' is very very broad.
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If I 'drift' left in front of you, and it's something that you might not necessarily expect, then I'll indicate (and also have a look first). If I indicate to overtake someone in the left lane, go past them, and then pull in a good distance ahead of them - I don't automatically indicate - especially if it's near a junction, etc., and the signal could be misinterpreted. If I've been in another lane for a long period, and am about to move into the first lane in front of a car (maybe before an exit), then I would usually indicate. But again, it's usually done for the benefit of other drivers (and myself), rather than an automatic action.

Was on the motorway yesterday, and the popular thing seemed to be signal, mirror (oops there's someone there), bugger it I'm going to pull in front of them anyway as I've got my indicators on!
 
Duke said:
The way I was taught (by an ex-police driver) was that you should indicate to users that you are about to do something they may not necessarily expect.
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This.
Duke said:
So, you would always indicate before, say, pulling out from lane one to lane two to pass a truck, but if lane one is completely empty in front of the truck then the truck driver should expect you to pull in anyway so indication is not necessary. All you are doing is returning to the default road position (MLMs be damned!)
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This.
Duke said:
If you were pulling back in front of the truck and there is traffic in the inside lane ahead, then you should indicate as this (literally) signals your intention. 10 seconds is my rule-of-thumb guide to determine whether I'll pull back in or not; if I'd spend less than 10 seconds before having to pull out again then I'll stay in lane two/three/whatever.
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This.
Duke said:
This was the way I always drove in the UK, but driving on the continent (where rules vary) plus the advent of lane-keeping systems as being discussed here, mean I always indicate both ways nowadays.
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This!
 
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