GR Yaris (Gen 2) GR Yaris Mk2 (MY2024->)

[Michael Knight]

Mk2 is obviously the better engine/driveline. I expect them going to 350hp with an aggressive remap quite easily....

Yep easy 350 with opf off etc.
Wonder if they changed the clutch..
Mk1 is already too fast so 350hp would be wreckless.

Maybe a good idea to buy a working engine from wrecked mk2

 

[banzai2]

Useful comparison

 

[6mt]

Surely you can’t have many more reasons why the MK1 is much better than the new and improved MK2? How about you wait until you have driven the new car yourself.

Who hurt you?

 

[Michael Knight]

Useful comparison

Video stating there is no RS model anymore if new gen

 

[Michael Knight]

Just read the Evo article - estimating starting price to be 37.5k sterling so 20% higher than mk1? Prices to be announced in March 24

 

[johnybigarms]

Just read the Evo article - estimating starting price to be 37.5k sterling so 20% higher than mk1? Prices to be announced in March 24

It’s less than 12% as the MK2 is a circuit pack car only, £33.5k in 2020 and £37.5k in 2024.
Might seem like wow, that’s cheap, but unless you have cash, it’s going to be a lot more on finance, 0% in 2020, I imagine 8.9% this time round?

 

[johnybigarms]

Video stating there is no RS model anymore if new gen.

Great video

 

[johnybigarms]

Video stating there is no RS model anymore if new gen

It’s extremely comprehensive the amount of changes made, I think it’s a no brainer if you have not got a GRY to buy the new one, it’s a definitely a MK2 rather than a just a refresh as in MK1.5
I think the race to buy one will be on.

 

[micsub]

was there anywhere details on cooler configuration. my assumption is that manual extra cooler is extra water cooler, and for auto it could be an oil cooler.

I understood from one of the already many videos popping up everywhere that AT GB cooler was inserted on the left side and an engine lube oil cooler on the right side. If manual GB, then no cooler on the left side. (Which gives space for track enthusiasts to add an extra engine lube oil cooler on the left side)

 

[corroded]

It’s less than 12% as the MK2 is a circuit pack car only, £33.5k in 2020 and £37.5k in 2024.
Might seem like wow, that’s cheap, but unless you have cash, it’s going to be a lot more on finance, 0% in 2020, I imagine 8.9% this time round?

I worked out the PCP deal I had for provisional prices of mine, compared to MK2 (provisional price, same percentage as GFV) and the monthly was basically double what I'm paying now.

Not totally unaffordable, but also I put a third down.

For me, hire purchase over a slightly more protracted period is the only way that makes sense finance wise.

Personally I don't see the MK2 being 37500 either, 33500 wasn't even the final GRY MK1 price, I expect with paint option you won't get more than a few fivers from 40k.

 

[micsub]

Carwow vid did a comparison shot of the new front vs the old.

I’m not a fan! Mk1 definitely has nicer lines.

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Two years ago, I was planning to buy & install Phil Roetheli 's oil cooler, and when I asked Toyota, they answered me that even if engine failure was NOT due to the additional aftermarket oil cooler, they would consider the failure to come from that mod. Ridiculous, but that's how it stands.

So I actually really like the new front bumper, not as much on an aesthetic point of view, but much more for the technical possibility to add 1 or even 2 oil coolers. I hope that this bumper will fit on the MK1. If so it allows to upgrade to MK2 engine oil cooling without warranty loss issue.

 

[Humptydumptyhadabigone]

Thanks to @Michael Knight and @Onehp for stimulating thought on the mkii.

Having watched a good number of the reviews and drives and the various thoughts from members on here I figured a few more ramblings wouldn't hurt.

I will state up front I am not in the market for a mkii or interested at this stage in selling my original version.

I quite like the exterior evolution in styling though neither the original or mkii are pretty or attractive in my eyes. For this car I think functional is more important.

The changes in the number of welds and body sealer is likely lost on me as I have never felt on the track that oh the chassis is holding me back or causing my lap times to be impacted.

The extra power would always be welcome. Until a couple of years ago I had never driven a car that didn't need more kW and then I drove a new 911GT2RS on a damp road. Yeah that is more than enough... But the power is available should you want to go there, understand that the supposed changes will enhance reliability at those power levels but plenty on here have gone past that without issue - at least so far.

The electronic instruments would be a big no from me. I am old and I like the nice round dials. Once I tasted the HUD on my HSV GTS I wanted that on everything that I put on the track. My M2 was a disappointment in that regard and the factory optional add on was cringesome.

Suspenders have been modified to suit what the majority are using the car for, soft springs and not so stiff dampers does not make a track car and that is how the original was tuned. A change in spring rate to suit what most of us do makes sense. I do miss smashing mine over very rough stuff which the aftermarket gear is too harsh for but that was about 1% of the time.

The instrument arrangement? ...insert vomit emoji... These were awful in the 80s. They have not improved.

Price?????????????????????????? At the time I bought my GRY (poverty pack in Oz) I was looking at a Focus RS. And then fixing the stuff that needs fixing like the suspension tune and some kW and so on. I picked up my GRY for $39950 on the road at the introductory offer and it was a steal. I did ponder grabbing a Rallye and selling the first car until I realised that I wouldn't get one for at least a year and then it would be more than $60,000. I have put less than $10,000 into mine and all of that is reversible should the need arise. It is almost where I like it but regardless of what I could sell it for with or without the suspension, inlet, wheels, exhaust etc I would be looking at another $25,000 to get into the new one. No ta.

If I was to sell the GRY I would be looking for something different completely. Recently the 1KD in our 4wd decided that #3 piston was creating too much compression and should be in a few pieces. While getting that rebuilt the GRY became the main car for various trips and it is a compromise. If it was to go then the replacement would probably be something like the Focus RS with a little more space for those odd times it needs to carry three. Or get rid of the family Mazda2 spare car and the GRY and go for a bigger tourer and a dedicated faster track toy like an R35.

It will be very interesting to see how these perform in real life. I don't doubt the media will continue to portray the new one as the greatest thing ever and the orignal as such a poor option but who cares? That has been the same with each and every new model or evolution that comes out, well maybe not the EVO Mitsubishis which lost the plot along the way. I don't care if a few of these turn up at the street sprints and thrash me and my car. Pretty sure I leave a lot on the track anyway and as long as I am having fun I really am not bothered.

 

[johnybigarms]

Well I will keep an eye on the market, 131 cars for sale today, but I imagine that will increase quiet a lot by the middle of the year, as MK2 cars start to come to the U.K.
I don’t buy the 300 U.K. cars allocation for 1 second, that’s to cause a stir, GR86 got the same 400 cars only none sense and they have delivered 3 times that amount, if the demand is there by means of a waiting list, then they meet it the best they can, and so you can bet another few thousand cars will make it over the next 3 years to the U.K.
The rush to get the 1st cars will be huge, but you will get one later than never if you miss out on the scramble.

Well it seems a few more cars have come to market recently, my last post a week back had 131 for sale, today 149, I think a few are setting themselves up for the MK2, as a context to go by, there was 40 GR86 for sale when there was 131 GRY for sale, today there are still 40 GR86 for sale, (not all the same ones) seems to be around 1 sells and 1 new one arrives to the market per day. This is using Autotrader.

 

[RumbleandSway]

The stat I find most intriguing; Toyota claim 48% of GRYaris owners buy as a “second car” - massive for the GR brand and good for Toyota.

Makes a remarkable case study for the value of a “halo product” and flies in the face of the “shareholder led” corporate strategy destroying so many sound businesses. We need braver and more daring mobility solutions.

The GRYaris offers the dynamic thrills while doing all the day-to-day stuff that really matters i.e. navigate a multi-storey, fits in a parking space or b-road, ground clearance, practical, frugal, discrete (ish) etc. etc.

When the “money no object brigade“ start shopping for a GRYaris [and they are] you know Toyota is getting something right and you don’t need to sweat depreciation.

I welcome the announcement of the 2 - takes nothing away from the original. I’d have either generation in a blink-of-an-eye if my circumstances were different.

To me nothing says “my other car is probably a Lamborghini/Ferrari/Mclaren/Porsche/Lotus” more than a GRYaris.

From Autocar: https://www.autocar.co.uk/opinion/new-cars/brilliance-toyota-gr-yaris-and-why-hooning-allowed

“Many have a GR Yaris “next to a supercar”, said a delighted chief engineer Naohiko Saito. “This is something we’ve never seen before.”

 

[Michael Knight]

Two years ago, I was planning to buy & install Phil Roetheli 's oil cooler, and when I asked Toyota, they answered me that even if engine failure was NOT due to the additional aftermarket oil cooler, they would consider the failure to come from that mod. Ridiculous, but that's how it stands.

So I actually really like the new front bumper, not as much on an aesthetic point of view, but much more for the technical possibility to add 1 or even 2 oil coolers. I hope that this bumper will fit on the MK1. If so it allows to upgrade to MK2 engine oil cooling without warranty loss issue.

given the one recent JPN review video with lots of track footage reported water temps to be highish, so likely they have increased the size of oil to water heat exhanger and added supplementary radiator? but it is to be confirmed.

 

[micsub]

A few thoughts on MK1 and Mk2 pricing.

Many of us in the UK will have £33500 as the base cost of a Circuit Pack in the back of our head's, because that was the launch price 3 years ago.

As far as I know after several price increases since the current RRP is £35705, which is rarely quoted, if this is incorrect, then let me know.

(Metallica extra £615, Pearlescent £920)

If the Mk2 has a 10% increase then we are at £39275 / £39952 metallic / £40287 pearl.

So we are potentially bouncing on the £40k RFL threshold (extra £390pa tax for 5 years).

The above doesn't take into account any premium for the auto version, so could be £41500/£42000.

All depends on how Toyota want to price it/position it. My gut feeling is just under the threshold for the auto incl paint, so £39995 and £38k for the manual.

They could price it with metallic/pearl as no cost to stay under the threshold, they could sell both manual and auto at the same RRP - both unlikely.

Whatever they decide it's going to be in the high 30's to low 40's.

Here in France, with our stupid "CO2 taxation", with the 2024 refresher, (each year it get's more severe) assuming the MK2 is sold at the SAME price as the MK1 was three years ago, it would bring the price to an astounding 70 000 € ! We all assume it will cost substantially more than the MK1, so going on a base of 45 000 €, adding the CO2 tax it would cost an eye-popping 76 500 € ! And that is IF you receive the car the same year as when you placed the order... obviously more expensive if delivered the following year, because you pay the CO2 tax the day you register it. I doubt they will sell any in France.

 

[micsub]

I've owned my fridge white Jun-22 car for exactly 1yr today (happy GRY birthday to me ) and having given this a fair bit of thought over last couple of days, reading the Toyota UK press release and watching all the videos I could find..

Almost definitely stating the obvious, I would definitely change for a new one if money was no object. I would have to drive the auto and manual back to back to decide which one I enjoyed more. I do wonder how the additional stiffness (spring rates, structural adhesive, strut mounts) would would play out on a B road blast. And I'd also need to see grey in the flesh to see if I preferred it to white.

I'm ambivalent about the driving position, which I find fine in mk1, and I can't get too excited about the new dash one way or another, but unfortunately money is quite the object!

Given the mk2 new technology and associated development costs, significant inflation since mk1 launch and a narrow to negative margin on mk1, I think a new one will be nudging, if not exceeding £40k. So for me, a significant chunk of cash to change, and as a B road blaster, I don't think smiles per gallon would change measurably with the mk2.

In addition, having had some awesome times in my current car, the bond is strong and I like the feel of having the original version of a game changing car. I popped out to the garage earlier for something and I still have the flutter of excitement seeing it sat there, let alone getting in it for a drive!

Part of me would like the mk1 to have been the end of the story, securing exclusivity for mk1 owners but a bigger part of me is thrilled Toyota are continuing on the GR journey, meaning more people will be able to enjoy a GR and join the community, and more OEM and aftermarket products, services and support can only be a good thing.

I hope and think the mention of 300 UK cars is marketing hype to drive demand. Yes, there is legislation which penalises companies that don't hit the required ratio of EV to ICE cars but surely all those development costs wouldn't have been incurred for such low sales volumes...

So I'll continue to enjoy reading other people's thoughts and views with interest and eagerly await the next installment of the mk2 story, Mar-24 when pricing is announced

Absolutely agree.
- Am I happy to own the MK1 ? YES !
- Do I NEED a MK2 ? No... but I like the idea of upgrades and continuous improvement strategy by Toyota, especially in this very small niche segment of the GRY. Hats off Mr Morizo & GR team.

 

[micsub]

Any insider info what's the wheel size? It is claimed to have 8.5J wheels but in press photos the wheels were 8J so I'm confused.

Yes, I saw both features as well, same wheels & tyres 18 x 8J with 225/40/18 tyres, and also read somewhere else 8.5J but same tyre size --> GRMN is 8.5J but with 235s

 

[micsub]

just remembered yesterday again why GR Yaris is the best sports car in the world. It can tackle those small roads where every other sports car struggles. with no traffic, there's just you and that great machine enjoying the nice scenary and twisty road. Not even GT4 or GT3 can do that. Sure, on race track its different story, but that's another playground. For adventurous recce drives there's no other toy.

100% agree on that. Being also an ex-Subaru fan & owner, it was the same summary.

 

[micsub]

Yeah my Mrs will be like: "I thought you said these cars were rare?" - the moment she hears people will be able to order a newer one...

They still will be rare, especially the MK1 !