GR Yaris (Gen 2) prospective GR Yaris owner here - in need of feedback

[Euge]

Thanks for sharing
Yeah, it's not the cost of the parts - its the labour here that bumps up the price
I would say like around +40% maybe compared to here

I probably won't be doing 20K km (perhaps close to half of that)

I was planning to do a short 5K km engine oil/filter for the first interval, but afterwards stick to the fixed schedule

But what about gear box and diff lubricants? Don't you guys think it could also do a little earlier than the '4th year' service??

A few people have changed gearbox and diff lubricants after a short running in period along with engine oils too, all depends what you want to do. I have chose to stick to Toyotas full schedule as my car is only driven to the office/kindergarten and the occasional B-road blast. If I were tracking the car I would of changed them early on.

 

[grj]

What I m not clear about is the expected longevity of this car
Since Gen2 is only like a year old, so very few samples probably of people did serious miles on it, therefore taking Gen1 into perspective
Is such car likely to last to usual Toyota numbers e.g. 300K+ km on the engine on a well cared car?
Or a shorter lifespan should be expected (e.g. due to the race-derived tech on such car)
May sound a bit of a silly question to some, but since my experience is basically 0 from owning such a car, would like to hear any opinions here

 

[Euge]

What I m not clear about is the expected longevity of this car
Since Gen2 is only like a year old, so very few samples probably of people did serious miles on it, therefore taking Gen1 into perspective
Is such car likely to last to usual Toyota numbers e.g. 300K+ km on the engine on a well cared car?
Or a shorter lifespan should be expected (e.g. due to the race-derived tech on such car)
May sound a bit of a silly question to some, but since my experience is basically 0 from owning such a car, would like to hear any opinions here

@Armijs is currently at nearly 40,000km on his Gen2. No problems. The block on the GR Yaris is strong. When you get into the realms of modifying is when reliability becomes a problem is how I see it. My car is stock apart from a Cat back exhaust and a few sets of Braid wheels.

 

[grj]

@Armijs is currently at nearly 40,000km on his Gen2. No problems. The block on the GR Yaris is strong. When you get into the realms of modifying is when reliability becomes a problem is how I see it. My car is stock apart from a Cat back exhaust and a few sets of Braid wheels.

I have no intentions of ever touching engine and mapping
Future plans may include coilover, but nothing other than that

 

[YeahButNoBut]

Doesn't the GRY come with 10 year warranty in Germany as well? As long as you keep servicing it at Toyota that is. If that is your plan anyway, why worry about the longevity? You're covered.

I can understand most of your thoughts and questions here in this topic, but one thing I would like to point out to you: you're thinking about buying a GR Yaris! An awesome car to enjoy and have FUN with (while it's still possible to get one). Don't worry too much man, life it too short.

Don't get me wrong, I understand everyone has their own criteria and reasons behind buying a car, and I respect that. Buying a GRY won't be a rational choice, then you would be buying a normal hybrid Yaris. You should get a GRY because you want it, with your feelings/emotions in the lead, not your brain. I'm just trying to ease your mind here a bit.

 

[grj]

Doesn't the GRY come with 10 year warranty in Germany as well? As long as you keep servicing it at Toyota that is. If that is your plan anyway, why worry about the longevity? You're covered.

I can understand most of your thoughts and questions here in this topic, but one thing I would like to point out to you: you're thinking about buying a GR Yaris! An awesome car to enjoy and have FUN with (while it's still possible to get one). Don't worry too much man, life it too short.

Don't get me wrong, I understand everyone has their own criteria and reasons behind buying a car, and I respect that. Buying a GRY won't be a rational choice, then you would be buying a normal hybrid Yaris. You should get a GRY because you want it, with your feelings/emotions in the lead, not your brain. I'm just trying to ease your mind here a bit.

It's fine, I get it
And I think the insurance is like 15yr (?), as long as you stick to the intervals
Will there be a Gen3 in 2028+? Or Gen2 could be the last?

I m that type of person who worries about things (unfortunately!)
I ll prob live even less than I could if I cared less about things. But that's how I am

To give you an example - moments ago I bumped on a threat here about rust
That really put me off if I m honest
Winter is here now, not long before they start spraying salts everywhere

My plan was that - if I decide to go for the car - I d place the order now, so that it arrives late spring
First thing would be to do the underside protection. The price I was given by the dealer was (a reasonable) 350EUR. So far so good
But having read that other post, I don't really know how effective it would be. I never had any intention of driving in snow (or gravel)

But still - should a brand new, well-cared car, with no mods is expected to start rusting after 3-5 years? (IMHO the answer is an emphatic 'No, it shouldn't'). My 10yr+ old JCW (produced 2009..), bought 2nd hand 2013 doesn't almost have any rust (other than some areas on the exhaust). OK, only drove it around here for last 4yrs and before that it lived most of its life down south. But still

I find it really surprising that Toyota hasn't noticed such an issue and just 'improve' as they say and do a better paint job on a flagship car?
At least I didn't find any evidence if this was addressed in later cars (e.g. Gen2) or if they improved the paint process in some way
But even if they claimed that they did, it's still too early to tell for the Gen2

That reminds me like 10yrs back, when I was hearing about MK2 Elise having rust issues. But even that was in specific areas, especially around welds were they left them untreated and the adhensive was somehow reacting with the bare aluminum. But reading at this thread here it would seem that the whole thing is prove to rust - which just ain't right

I mean the argument "never mind, go out and enjoy the car" still applies, but would have been nice if it also aged like the average car (for which rust is much more well controlled). Maybe the extended use of aluminium makes it prone to rust? (but I thought it was only the doors/hood that was made from aluminium). And I m sure that despite the 15yr protection/warranty, Toyota won't be willing to offer free paint jobs on the first signs of rust

OK, I think I can go to bed now (but probably it ll take a while till I m asleep)

p.s. @YeahButNoBut - see what I mean, I just can't help it

 

[Duke]

It's fine, I get it
And I think the insurance is like 15yr (?), as long as you stick to the intervals
Will there be a Gen3 in 2028+? Or Gen2 could be the last?

The fourth generation Yaris (XP210) is nearly six years old, I would bet money that we won't see another version of this GR Yaris before it is replaced.

Some more special editions perhaps, but nothing like a 'gen3'.

Question is; will there be a GR version of the next Yaris? I would also bet money on that, but I doubt you'll see any sign of it before 2027.

 

[spectre7]

I think these are final years for our Yaris and as Duke said I highly doubt there will be gen3. In my opinion there 2 main reasons why I doubt there will be gen 3:

1. New Rally 1 category - Toyota will pick a car shell which will obviously boost the marketing of the road inspired model.
2. Small performance car market is "maxed out", its more profitable to either continue developing corolla or introduce brand new/bigger model.

1. At the moment 2027 regs for rally1 are a mess and there are signs that maybe in the end rally 2 might get bumped into rally 1, but if they will indeed try to implement those new rules then manufacturers have option to pick whatever car shell they want (even suv!), so it is up to Toyota what they will pick. Yes Toyota has already insanely good rally 2 version of Yaris, however there are reports that they have not made final decision which model will be used as a shell for 2027 rally1 category. Toyota will definitely pick a shell which will be present in road legal lineup to boost sales, therefore current Yaris might be left out considering market for small performance cars enthusiast is limited.

2. As mentioned above, it is simply more profitable for Toyota to develop replacement which would keep the awesome characteristics of GR Yaris into more practical, bigger car (like GR Corolla) which can fight in higher segment for way more customers. Also at least in EU it is highly unprofitable for manufacturers to make smaller cars due to emission regulations, combine it with the high performance engine which we have and its basically a funeral for our model...
So either they will continue with GR Corolla, maybe go with the radical solution and introduce it with the new 4 cylinder Toyota is speaking about (I am no expert in car development but I think that would be extremely expensive to do). Or which is i think more probable: they will develop brand new GR model with AWD and 4 cylinder, maybe brand new corolla or the rumored revival of Celica.

Oooor I am just yapping on forums because I am bored

 

[grj]

I think these are final years for our Yaris and as Duke said I highly doubt there will be gen3. In my opinion there 2 main reasons why I doubt there will be gen 3:

1. New Rally 1 category - Toyota will pick a car shell which will obviously boost the marketing of the road inspired model.
2. Small performance car market is "maxed out", its more profitable to either continue developing corolla or introduce brand new/bigger model.

1. At the moment 2027 regs for rally1 are a mess and there are signs that maybe in the end rally 2 might get bumped into rally 1, but if they will indeed try to implement those new rules then manufacturers have option to pick whatever car shell they want (even suv!), so it is up to Toyota what they will pick. Yes Toyota has already insanely good rally 2 version of Yaris, however there are reports that they have not made final decision which model will be used as a shell for 2027 rally1 category. Toyota will definitely pick a shell which will be present in road legal lineup to boost sales, therefore current Yaris might be left out considering market for small performance cars enthusiast is limited.

2. As mentioned above, it is simply more profitable for Toyota to develop replacement which would keep the awesome characteristics of GR Yaris into more practical, bigger car (like GR Corolla) which can fight in higher segment for way more customers. Also at least in EU it is highly unprofitable for manufacturers to make smaller cars due to emission regulations, combine it with the high performance engine which we have and its basically a funeral for our model...
So either they will continue with GR Corolla, maybe go with the radical solution and introduce it with the new 4 cylinder Toyota is speaking about (I am no expert in car development but I think that would be extremely expensive to do). Or which is i think more probable: they will develop brand new GR model with AWD and 4 cylinder, maybe brand new corolla or the rumored revival of Celica.

Oooor I am just yapping on forums because I am bored

I hope there's still time left for manufactorers to be able to hold against the emissions regulations which will eventually mark the end of exciting cars
Maybe there's some hope to retain the fun factor even with EVs (e.g. IONIQ 5N), but I doubt it ll really be the same as what the best ICE has offered over the years

In the meantime, I just hope that Toyota can do a better job with the GRY paint/protections so that the car doesn't rust faster than the Titanic
Does anyone here perhaps starting to see signs with any of the latest cars? I mean, it would be crazy if there even are incidents on a Gen2, given its only 1yr old...

 

[cappo3]

In the meantime, I just hope that Toyota can do a better job with the GRY paint/protections so that the car doesn't rust faster than the Titanic
Does anyone here perhaps starting to see signs with any of the latest cars? I mean, it would be crazy if there even are incidents on a Gen2, given its only 1yr old...

Is rust really such a big deal on these cars? I can’t believe they’re any less protected than a run of the mill Toyota product.

 

[grj]

Is rust really such a big deal on these cars? I can’t believe they’re any less protected than a run of the mill Toyota product.

I can't really tell from my own experience, as I ve never owned a Toyota (or any JP car for that matter)
All I know is that Toyota, as well as Honda (and few others) are renown for their reliability

For me, reliability doesn't only refer to just engine, clutch etc - but also about the chassis / longevity
So having seen some of those photos shared by members here (in a thread named "Rust"), and the amount of rust reported (not just the usual areas e.g. arches), but also the age on some of those cars (some only barely 3yr old) - has kind of put me off

I live in central EU, where for the most of the year there is cold, rain, snow. If I lived in the Med, it wouldn't have been much of a concern, but now I can't help but worry. Of course I would really take care of the car, but not to the extend that I would have to worry driving in wet (snow would be avoided anyway)

I would really hope to hear (positive) examples from people here
Like someone who lives central to northern EU and owns an early Gen1 that doesn't have signs of rust (as seen in another thread here) and also use the car relatively frequently (if not a daily). Because under normal conditions, care, and normal usage, a 3yr old car shouldn't rust on it

Just my take. I m not trying to wind people up here by saying this. I too love this car as much as anyone here, but this seems to be the achilles heel of this little marvel. Much of the issues reported for the Gen1 over the previous years have been addressed in the Gen2. It is for sure more matured. I just wished that someone from Japan realised that the conditions here command for better paint/coating/anti-rust protection

 

[Yaris146]

Is rust really such a big deal on these cars? I can’t believe they’re any less protected than a run of the mill Toyota product.

Why would you assume that ?
My wife’s French built Yaris has a decent bit of wax on it. My Japan built gr4 didn’t come with any as they left that bit for us.
Peak car was about 2010 with a noticeable drop in quality from about 2017 ish. I hang around car ramps way too much and see plenty of newish cars that I think look a bit rough.
The UK is a real challenge for manufacturers as it’s warm and damp with lashings of salt. All of the ingredients for accelerated corrosion.
My 5 yr old gr4 is fantastic underneath but I dynax it.

When you bolt aluminium to steel it invites galvanic corrosion which I haven’t noticed on the Toyota. Lotus, alpine and Porsche have had these issues though. I don’t think corrosion is an issue any more due to everyone owning new cars. I don’t know anyone with a car over 5yrs old except me.

 

[grj]

I don’t know anyone with a car over 5yrs old except me.

I would stay on that for a bit

That is my concern. What if someone does intend to keep a car longer than 5yr?
Like 10 or 15yrs?

For me, regardless if its gonna be GRY or A110 - I don't have the slightest consideration of ever selling it
Simply because there won't be cars like those in the future

 

[Yaris146]

I would stay on that for a bit

That is my concern. What if someone does intend to keep a car longer than 5yr?
Like 10 or 15yrs?

For me, regardless if its gonna be GRY or A110 - I don't have the slightest consideration of ever selling it
Simply because there won't be cars like those in the

You could fill pages with opinions on this but every car has a compromise. Jap built cars often dont have much corrosion protection.
A family friend had a newish Honda civic, looked great but had a small turbo wet belt engine. No one wanted to replace the belt except Honda who quoted 2k .The belt snapped at about 4yrs and destroyed the engine. They were unable to get it repaired for some reason and gave up and sold it for peanuts.
I’ve seen numerous expensive JLR products with rusty chassis or faults no one can fix.
Ford wet belts, all of the stellantis group cars with wet belts and let’s not even talk about Porsche. I’m a lotus owner and have to bite my tongue sometimes as Porsche owners just accept that their 50k engine or pdk is completely toast but somehow think a Toyota engine lotus is unreliable! Audi/Porsche V6 turbos with knackered chains , Chinese pistons and those roller rockers that disintegrate.

Just writing that makes me realise that spraying my car with some bilt hamber occasionally isn’t really that bad.

 

[Euge]

You could fill pages with opinions on this but every car has a compromise. Jap built cars often dont have much corrosion protection.
A family friend had a newish Honda civic, looked great but had a small turbo wet belt engine. No one wanted to replace the belt except Honda who quoted 2k .The belt snapped at about 4yrs and destroyed the engine. They were unable to get it repaired for some reason and gave up and sold it for peanuts.
I’ve seen numerous expensive JLR products with rusty chassis or faults no one can fix.
Ford wet belts, all of the stellantis group cars with wet belts and let’s not even talk about Porsche. I’m a lotus owner and have to bite my tongue sometimes as Porsche owners just accept that their 50k engine or pdk is completely toast but somehow think a Toyota engine lotus is unreliable! Audi/Porsche V6 turbos with knackered chains , Chinese pistons and those roller rockers that disintegrate.

Just writing that makes me realise that spraying my car with some bilt hamber occasionally isn’t really that bad.

Had mine up in the air last weekend to switch winter wheels over. Gave it a check for rust. None at all. I had sprayed all the subframes, wheel arches and black painted steel suspension arms etc in Dynax uc before last winter - piece of cake to apply, did mine in my drive on axle stands. I live in a northern European country which is wet, snowy and can be extremely cold. Tonnes of salt on roads here in winter. Didn’t bother with any top up spray of Dynax for this winter. A can of Dynax is around 20 euro or so.

 

[Dav1d]

You could fill pages with opinions on this but every car has a compromise. Jap built cars often dont have much corrosion protection.
A family friend had a newish Honda civic, looked great but had a small turbo wet belt engine. No one wanted to replace the belt except Honda who quoted 2k .The belt snapped at about 4yrs and destroyed the engine. They were unable to get it repaired for some reason and gave up and sold it for peanuts.
I’ve seen numerous expensive JLR products with rusty chassis or faults no one can fix.
Ford wet belts, all of the stellantis group cars with wet belts and let’s not even talk about Porsche. I’m a lotus owner and have to bite my tongue sometimes as Porsche owners just accept that their 50k engine or pdk is completely toast but somehow think a Toyota engine lotus is unreliable! Audi/Porsche V6 turbos with knackered chains , Chinese pistons and those roller rockers that disintegrate.

Just writing that makes me realise that spraying my car with some bilt hamber occasionally isn’t really that bad.

Without descending into brand wars, I’m always staggered at how much rubbish Porsche get away with, either the pricing structure or the numerous engine issues that everybody knows about and that have happened for ages across different models.

On topic, I agree it’s not really that bad, got mine undersealed from basically new (effectively a one off which is minor relative to the price of the car, putting it to what it should have been from factory in this regard ) then it’s just a top up every now and then. Nothing crazy.

To the OP, I used to be too precious about my car but if you choose not to use it much for fear of breaking something / wear and tear, or never want to own one for fear of potential issues then you miss out on the driving experience, which is the entire point. Paralysis by analysis is a bad thing!

 

[grj]

@Euge
How old is your car if I may ask?
Do you drive frequently, even on snow..?

@Dav1d
"Paralysis by analysis" << I like that (first time I hear it, but seems very fitting indeed)
Really, I m not planning not to enjoy the car. Other than the snowy times of winter, I really do intend to use it (and enjoy it)
My point/concern here is that I was too alarmed by this whole rust topic, which I though it was a bit too much compared to what an new, average car should exhibit

Just had a look at: https://bilthamber.com/product-category/anti-corrosion/
There seems to be an overwhelming number of choices e.g. UB, UC, S-50 ... all seem applicable, so not sure which is the most appropriate one to begin with
It is mentioned that it is not made to withstand UV. Not that high UV is plentiful where I live, but ideally I would have to top up maybe every year (e.g. after summer is gone)
There's also Dinitrol which seems to be very popular

But this work - if you are to do it properly - needs to be done in a garage, lifted for proper access, wheels removed, sensitive areas wrapped. Not sure if its safe to apply everywhere e.g. engine bay frame!?, prior spraying
All in all, not something that I could do (properly) on my own in my underground garage
Plus these substances are pure cancer - would need a full face mask, eye protection etc
If I bought a ramp and tried to do it somewhere outside (for ventilation), I would probably be arrested by Polizei in no time

The Toyota dealers here say they can do a 'rust protection job' (they didn't mention which product) for 350EUR
That doesn't make me feel any confident they will use a proven product or that they ll do this work properly (nor it is very affordable for doing every year)

Does anyone do this job at a garage here in Germany? Someone that they can recommend?

 

[Euge]

@Euge
How old is your car if I may ask?
Do you drive frequently, even on snow..?

Coming up to 2 years old in a few months. 40,000km so far, so well used. Used as a daily in snow, rain ice, winter, summer. The grip these cars have in bad conditions are what I love about it.

 

[Euge]

Just had a look at: https://bilthamber.com/product-category/anti-corrosion/
There seems to be an overwhelming number of choices e.g. UB, UC, S-50 ... all seem applicable, so not sure which is the most appropriate one to begin with
It is mentioned that it is not made to withstand UV. Not that high UV is plentiful where I live, but ideally I would have to top up maybe every year (e.g. after summer is gone)
There's also Dinitrol which seems to be very popular

UC - the clear one, You don't need to worry about UV, its under the car, unless you roll it But its a hard wax - it stops uv getting to the painted parts.

Dynax or Dinitrol are both wax based and good. You don't need to do it every year.

 

[Dav1d]

@Euge
How old is your car if I may ask?
Do you drive frequently, even on snow..?

@Dav1d
"Paralysis by analysis" << I like that (first time I hear it, but seems very fitting indeed)
Really, I m not planning not to enjoy the car. Other than the snowy times of winter, I really do intend to use it (and enjoy it)
My point/concern here is that I was too alarmed by this whole rust topic, which I though it was a bit too much compared to what an new, average car should exhibit

Just had a look at: https://bilthamber.com/product-category/anti-corrosion/
There seems to be an overwhelming number of choices e.g. UB, UC, S-50 ... all seem applicable, so not sure which is the most appropriate one to begin with
It is mentioned that it is not made to withstand UV. Not that high UV is plentiful where I live, but ideally I would have to top up maybe every year (e.g. after summer is gone)
There's also Dinitrol which seems to be very popular

But this work - if you are to do it properly - needs to be done in a garage, lifted for proper access, wheels removed, sensitive areas wrapped. Not sure if its safe to apply everywhere e.g. engine bay frame!?, prior spraying
All in all, not something that I could do (properly) on my own in my underground garage
Plus these substances are pure cancer - would need a full face mask, eye protection etc
If I bought a ramp and tried to do it somewhere outside (for ventilation), I would probably be arrested by Polizei in no time

The Toyota dealers here say they can do a 'rust protection job' (they didn't mention which product) for 350EUR
That doesn't make me feel any confident they will use a proven product or that they ll do this work properly (nor it is very affordable for doing every year)

Does anyone do this job at a garage here in Germany? Someone that they can recommend?

Yeah that makes a lot of sense, do understand why you’d be concerned but there’s a strong way to fix it with the products mentioned. Mine is Dinitrol and I took it somewhere to get done. I’m not amazing at the practical stuff and they took all liners and covers off etc to ensure proper coverage. Dinitrol in the UK have an approved register of application places, not sure if same in Germany. Lots of people on here have Bilt Hamber and it’s also good stuff, think lots of garages will apply if you don’t want to / remove covers etc, which is very understandable !