GR Yaris Lower grip tyres discussion.

[nikoel]

I started to think I was the only one. You're a man after my heart,

My honourable mention goes to Hankook Ventus V2 Concept2 - Great performance in the dry, grips - but if pushed in first gear or with a little bit of the clutch will 4WD powerslide. In wet, fishtales like a polaroid picture in a straight line under WOT acceleration. Almost dangerous, but walks the line. Best feature, doesn't kick up stones. Buckets of fun

Is technically faster than any other tyre because other drivers are too busy trying to compute how a Yaris is going sideways around a roundabout three times. (The legal limit in Australia)

One hundred and sixty kangaroos per tyre - I can have my car equiped before the first Pirelli P Zero's (or whatever everyone else have been putting on their cars) have been mortgaged against the owners home

 

[Michael Knight]

Any experience on Kumho H52? not bad price, close to Valinos.

 

[Michael Knight]

In general went now to 205 winters and like how car feels with those - more nible and on its toes.
So recommended route (if you enjoy car movement). Maybe need to get one narrow set for summer too.
Makes the car feel more powerful and nible without being overspeeding everywhere.

 

[LittleMav]

In general went now to 205 winters and like how car feels with those - more nible and on its toes.
So recommended route (if you enjoy car movement). Maybe need to get one narrow set for summer too.
Makes the car feel more powerful and nible without being overspeeding everywhere.

Cool - I so look forward to my 205 Cup 2s next year, and if they feel good, I may go down the same route for winters….

 

[Onehp]

Any experience on Kumho H52? not bad price, close to Valinos.

Seems like a pretty normal touring tyre with relatively high grip quite a different proposition?

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Some more feedback on Valinos (Ebisu Matsuri and Greeva 08D) drift tyres. Thread noise subsides quite a lot as tyre wears in. And aquaplaning resistance is good, no worse then normal tyres in very rainy conditions the last weeks. And in those conditions when all the oil and dirt since long has been flushed away, wet grip is actually decent. My fuel consumption is a bit up with these tyres, can't quantify but not an eco tyre for sure.

Planning moving back from 235 to 215 because I like the feel, just need to find suitable stretch on the sidewall (decide/test rim width before buying new rims)

 

[GRzep]

Does one prefer the narrow 17” wheels over the 18” for roads without snow or bumps? I’m thinking about getting the 7x17 but not sure if it’s better than 18” for my area where the roads are very good and no snow/ice.
I do like lower grip tyres but is the difference between 205 and 225 that much?

Should I go for the 7x17 or just the 8x18 and fit lower grip tyres?

 

[Onehp]

Does one prefer the narrow 17” wheels over the 18” for roads without snow or bumps? I’m thinking about getting the 7x17 but not sure if it’s better than 18” for my area where the roads are very good and no snow/ice.
I do like lower grip tyres but is the difference between 205 and 225 that much?

Should I go for the 7x17 or just the 8x18 and fit lower grip tyres?

I've driven in NL winters. 205/50 R17 is noticeable more fun/low grip, in part because I can run them at 2,8bar without feeling overinflated. That reduces grip.
But it really depends on what you like. The 205 move around a lot more so the car feels less direct, less planted but more dancing. Others prefer the planted feel. I can appreciate both but on this small and not too heavy car, I prefer dancing about... In winter. However if part of your fun is high speed drives on the neighbouring autobahn (wrong car but still), stick to 225 18"

 

[GRzep]

I've driven in NL winters. 205/50 R17 is noticeable more fun/low grip, in part because I can run them at 2,8bar without feeling overinflated. That reduces grip.
But it really depends on what you like. The 205 move around a lot more so the car feels less direct, less planted but more dancing. Others prefer the planted feel. I can appreciate both but on this small and not too heavy car, I prefer dancing about... In winter. However if part of your fun is high speed drives on the neighbouring autobahn (wrong car but still), stick to 225 18"

Thanks for the info! I think I'm going for the braid 7x17 ET35/ET40 in matt antracite with some euro wintertires.

 

[Onehp]

Thanks for the info! I think I'm going for the braid 7x17 ET35/ET40 in matt antracite with some euro wintertires.

In NL you can go for et35

 

[Michael Knight]

Ordered a set of VALINO GREEVA 08D TW360, in size 215/45R17, 440€ delivered to door so not bad cost.
Use case is overall fun tyre for summer, when not using MSCUP2.

Tire has EU approval for road use. Greeva seems to replace the Ebisu Matsuri model that is harder compound for drifting practicing. Fun to see how they do, hope they're not too slippery on wet road although I do like little bit slippery feeling.

Selection of Valino tires can be found here

Tires – Valino Tires Europe

valinotires.eu

 

[Onehp]

Greeva seems to replace the Ebisu Matsuri model that is harder compound for drifting practicing. Fun to see how they do, hope they're not too slippery on wet road although I do like little bit slippery feeling.

Selection of Valino tires can be found here

Tires – Valino Tires Europe

valinotires.eu

Ebisu Marsuri is a special edition, same TW but lower grip compound again then the Greeva 08D - have both.
On first rain/wet dirty surface, they slide like a nordic in the wet, good fun but a bit sketchy if driving fast... 08D gives some more dry grippy fun, Ebisu is some more slip angle fun in the dry.

Tyred.se has a shipment Ebisu 215-235 coming mid march:

https://www.tyred.se/valino/valino-ebisu-matsuri-215-45r17-91w-xl-tyr

 

[Michael Knight]

Ebisu Marsuri is a special edition, same TW but lower grip compound again then the Greeva 08D - have both.
On first rain/wet dirty surface, they slide like a nordic in the wet, good fun but a bit sketchy if driving fast... 08D gives some more dry grippy fun, Ebisu is some more slip angle fun in the dry.

Tyred.se has a shipment Ebisu 215-235 coming mid march:

https://www.tyred.se/valino/valino-ebisu-matsuri-215-45r17-91w-xl-tyr

Oh bugger. valino did not have that size listed, only 235 so thought its outgoing model. Well, to my driving think Greeva will be as good. Fun to test them soon!

 

[Michael Knight]

got the valinos. not the lightest, 10cm less tyre than with 225 cup2.

 

[Michael Knight]

did short run with valino greeva tw360 today

- drive noise higher than cup2
- steering feel bit numb compared to cup2 rather direct feel
+ breaks into slide quite nicely, although rather high grip still

need to drive more to get more feedback but in general feels okeyish every day tire though regular tires are likely more comfortable as they are more silent.
Overall feel close to Nankang NS2R had previously.

 

[Onehp]

did short run with valino greeva tw360 today

- drive noise higher than cup2
- steering feel bit numb compared to cup2 rather direct feel
+ breaks into slide quite nicely, although rather high grip still

need to drive more to get more feedback but in general feels okeyish every day tire though regular tires are likely more comfortable as they are more silent.

They will become quieter as they wear a bit, thread noise at its highest when thread edges are sharp/new.

What pressure are you running? You can run the 215 quite high, I ran them at 2,7bar cold.

 

[Michael Knight]

They will become quieter as they wear a bit, thread noise at its highest when thread edges are sharp/new.

What pressure are you running? You can run the 215 quite high, I ran them at 2,7bar cold.

asked to set pressures to 2.5bar but haven't seen the correct reading in car as TPMS is still trying to find sensors.

 

[Onehp]

So exploring a counter intuitive idea. Previously focus was on narrower tyres as we automatically associate that with lower grip. Modern overtired cars have both too much grip but also lose feel and refinement and straight line performance (much part due to weight)
However in drifting, using larger tyres with lower grip compound (and higher pressure) can help increase life significantly, and also give more control as temperatures are better contained.
On street I imagine this translates into a larger tyre with low grip tyre compound getting less hot and thus grips less (cold tyre syndrome). Also it will be less noisy when sliding a bit occasionally - important. And last a lot longer.

So thinking a Valino Ebisu Matsuri 265/35 R18 (tw360 and extra hard rubber drift tyre) should fit on some very lightweight 18x9 et40 rims for a fun GRY road car - in the dry. And lower grip means lower forces, meaning much less need for all kinds of high force handling upgrades. Downside is very limited tyre candidates. Maybe also Sailun R01...

Will daily driving be very bad or bearable with such a set up?

Thoughts and experiences?

 

[LittleMav]

So exploring a counter intuitive idea. Previously focus was on narrower tyres as we automatically associate that with lower grip. Modern overtired cars have both too much grip but also lose feel and refinement and straight line performance (much part due to weight)
However in drifting, using larger tyres with lower grip compound (and higher pressure) can help increase life significantly, and also give more control as temperatures are better contained.
On street I imagine this translates into a larger tyre with low grip tyre compound getting less hot and thus grips less (cold tyre syndrome). Also it will be less noisy when sliding a bit occasionally - important. And last a lot longer.

So thinking a Valino Ebisu Matsuri 265/35 R18 (tw360 and extra hard rubber drift tyre) should fit on some very lightweight 18x9 et40 rims for a fun GRY road car - in the dry. And lower grip means lower forces, meaning much less need for all kinds of high force handling upgrades. Downside is very limited tyre candidates. Maybe also Sailun R01...

Will daily driving be very bad or bearable with such a set up?

Thoughts and experiences?

Unfortunately no experience with such wide tyres, but I‘d think the difference in feel and nimbleness between 235s and 265s will be roughly the same as between 205s and 235s (all else being „equal“).

Very light in 18x9 means generally expensive and - based on my experience with 17inch wheels on this platform
- I would not go back to an 18inch setup.

 

[Onehp]

Very light in 18x9 means generally expensive

I found two wheels 18x9 flowformed <9kg and <300€. Not much heavier then forged ones costing twice. See here https://www.gr-zoo.com/threads/light-18x9-rims-on-budget.6387/ any further tips / insights appreciated.

Compared to my current 235 17" drift set-up, with this rim a 265 setup will only be ~0,7kg more...

I understand what you say and love nimble and will still have two 17" sets....
but my driving has progressed into wanting to handle the car beyond grip driving and not just in the winter or wet or gravel but also dry... So really considering trying out this route. Unless someone else can pitch in...

 

[Onehp]

So continuing this conversation with mostly myself , I'm slightly apprehensive for the downsides of going so wide. Less granular feel, more tramlining, even more road noise from an already relatively (thread) noisy tyre, sooner aquaplaning, increased fuel consumption which isn't very low as is despite quite some commuting etc.

Thinking also about breakaway vs feedback, the former I would prefer a smooth transition so thinking 9" is preferable over 9,5".

In the end my curiosity will probably win and nobody else will probably be able to answer my questions of even better present me with a test car that I can try... Finger is hovering over the figurative order button....