Hyundai Ioniq 5 N

Dal3D said:
I must admit that when I say in an Ionic 5N at Goodwood FoS on Thursday, I was very impressed with the driving position and the quality of the interior. It didn't seem very big at all in person and up close compared to seeing the normal one quite a bit near me. Turning around from the drivers seat to the back seats seemed like looking behind in a transit! I'm sure our two big dogs would love that.

I've a possible choice to make soon with an EV scheme from work (and selling the GR86) and I've been toying between this and the Renault R5ev / Alpine A290. The smaller EV make the sensible choice as a runabout / commuting car. The Ioniq 5N appeals as it's like a hot hatch of old as a jack of all trades. Sensible and comfy when you want and a nutter when you feel more fruity. The trouble is that we have a slightly modified Mk3 Focus RS for fun (which I'll never sell for personal reasons) and a BMW 3er derv touring for trips to Scotland and France to see family so this would be treading on both of their toes.

It all depends on the monthly costs I guess!
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The old advice still is valid, do a proper test drive and then do the numbers and see how that feels.

If you're asking my personal opinion trying to be in your shoes, if the mk3 RS is going to stay anyway, it won't hurt it if it got a bit less miles and you can still take it out if you want to. Having owned a quick BMW derv - yes you might arrive a bit sooner, but personally I'd much prefer 600hp effortless progress/overtakes and I've long before going EV learned to take breaks every 2 hours of driving anyway. Ok if you would do a regular long trip where you need to charge just to do a last 20min or so it's a bit inconvenient (10-60% takes like 10min), but I would still take the 5 N if I knew there was any chance of doing a fun road blast at the destination, which for me are often unplanned.
Daily driving a 5 N makes driving most others cars like an exercise in forced restraint so one can find new appreciation for one's own wheels... So unless that BMW is special in some way, or charging infrastructure is (f)actually terrible en route to your favourite destinations, I'd personally be prepared to sell it. But that's me....
 
Thanks for replying. All valid points. Unfortunately the BMW is the OH so not much hope of selling that as she love it!

The next car - possibly an EV - will be a replacement for the GR86. The RS I've had from new in April 2016 and only has 24k on it so has always been an occasional use car. Do I "need" another fast car? Heart n head is still having that argument!
 
Dal3D said:
The RS I've had from new in April 2016
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Oh just remembered, the head of their Nürburgring development centre and responsible for much of the chassis work on the 5 N is they same guy responsible for the RS. Tyrone Johnson.
 
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I wouldn’t read anything in to my post. It wasn’t a comment on relative merits of vehicles or manufacturers.

What I will say is I recently spent a few hours driving a Taycan and found it an extremely competent and swift piece of kit but ultimately left me cold. Feel free to call me a Luddite but EV’s lack the soul of a vehicle with an internal combustion engine.

I’ll concede we are all going to be pushed in the direction of them eventually and no doubt they will improve as the technology matures. For me personally (opinion so not something to correct me on given it’s not a quantifiable or factual statement) in the same way horses have transitioned from primarily transport to a leisure activity my preference will likely remain firmly in the IC camp for pleasurable rather than utilitarian driving.
 
Hachi-roku said:
Feel free to call me a Luddite but EV’s lack the soul of a vehicle with an internal combustion engine.
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I agree. Taycans and all other EVs did that to me too. Except the 5 N. It really feels like a good ICE car on a good run - if you want. No the engine note is not a concerto to be savoured by itself, but neither was the GR Yaris to be a bit blunt

As for the classic 'but's...

Fake engine note! Well, I like to liken driving a good road to dancing, and to enjoy dancing, you need music that gets you going. The 5 N does that. Yes recorded and fake, but that works just fine with dancing music too. I detest the fake sound without gears, but with them I love it.

Gears are fake! Yes, but realise any modern car, with dct, is 100% programmed too. No actual relation exists to the existance of gears, you interact with a programmed behavior of the car. And the interaction works for me to give me that involvement that I so much want on a good drive. The handling is real, the grip feel is real, the throttle interaction and gear changes... thrill.

And it just got better again on the 6 N. AMG, BMW M and Audi RS are all developing similar stuff because their engineers like what they experienced when benchmarking the 5 N.... Honestly, the future is fun, I'm having way more fun just because the 5 N comes along on every trip and not having to warm the engine, so I start basically all of my trips with a nice pull trough gears on my onramp. And then I grin.
 
I was defo interested in the 5N until I saw the size of it!
When I started thinking about resale and battery degradation I was turned off the EV thing entirely.
For me EV's aren't the answer. Mining rare earth materials has been a race to the bottom on the path to destroying planet earth, and as yet there is no solution to the finite life of a battery.
 
speeddemon666 said:
I was defo interested in the 5N until I saw the size of it!
When I started thinking about resale and battery degradation I was turned off the EV thing entirely.
For me EV's aren't the answer. Mining rare earth materials has been a race to the bottom on the path to destroying planet earth, and as yet there is no solution to the finite life of a battery.
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Degradation: stanford found that intermittent discharging (i.e. flooring it) and average discharge rate of C/2 is beneficial for longevity, exactly the 5 N use case.

Resale: maybe a GR is a bit excepted, but once EV are unavoidable the better choice cost wise and infrastructure is up to par and people have adapted, and 2nd had ev getting cheaper again, remotely mainstream gasoline will fall out completely methinks, as attrative as a nokia 3310, a typewriter or camera using film or even a canon digital pocket camera of 10 years old. But that's longer term, if short term, yeah it's like it is. But contrary to rumour, UK EV sales are 35% up year on year. The 5 N is staying in the family is our plan. I enjoy the car, my passion cars tend to hold value quite ok is an added bonus, but even if it depreciates 100% it will still be worth it vs the cost of similar performance cars that lose just as much money if they depreciate 50% and cost a whole lot more to run....

Rare earth. Currently less then 3% of all cars are BEV in the world. Soon LFP will be the dominant chemistry without rare earth and in the end if all cars become BEV, like 85-90% BEV will probably not contain rare earth materials. Oh, and media does love clickbaiting people to make them thinking it's a lot worse than it is, incl completely hoax Nickel documentaries 🙄
 
Slightly more on topic, for the interested in the techical side. The 5 N has 800V architecture and powerful motors. This means all initial braking is actually putting energy back in the batteries, at a rate of upwards 0,6G and 300kW.

In practice, this means on my fun runs where my little GR Yaris would do approx 14mpg or 20l/100km, the 5 N uses 40kWh/100km driven equally hard. Which is roughly the energy content equivalent of 63mpg UK or 4,5l/100km.

That's pretty amazing and right there, easily to see why it's much less consumerism of earth resources given that the majority of energy was renewable even in the UK electricity mix...

If it were an equivalent size and power gasoline car, the gap would be even bigger.

For me, a driving enthusiast and engineer, it's quite amazing such a difference is even possible, and I'm not afraid to say I love it.

Note, I'm not telling anyone to buy cars for signalling anything, I'm here to share my experiences from how my driving passion translates practically in the choice of driver tool. If that tool in the process can do significantly less damage to our common environment, what's not to like???

PS: locally most trips are done with bicycles in our family, for many reasons.

PPS: if anyone sees me driving, it's formost signalling "that guy won't keep his license for a week". Yet somehow I only have one speeding ticket in soon 30 years of driving, aka the art of slowing down when you need to, good observation far away and an uncanny ability to spot unmarked police cars. And actually not driving dangerously. And massive amounts of sheer luck...
 
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speeddemon666 said:
It's not the only relevant point if you are talking about charging EV's.
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We have an electric car topic.

foxspeed

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not on about eco credentials if they are or are not good for the environment...

i just dont seem excited about any of them even with zillion hp and 0-3000mph in 1 sec :unsure:

latest ferrari release or aston martin with a v12 etc now thats a different matter or even a hybrid v6 :cool:

must be a dinosaur :eek:
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And ref virtue signalling, that is human nature but merely a distraction of the most important issue. And that issue is people constantly opposing policies that aim to make making the right choices easy. And if they aren't making it easy, help them making it so instead of just complaining and being generally reactionary...
 
Did a trackday. Which is a rare occurance for me.

Had fun, showing up with the family holiday chariot on my narrow tyre street setup and keeping pace with people doing this more often is nice. Good chargers nearby and fast charging makes for almost no difference in experience vs ICE.

If I did this often a dedicated track wheelset would up the pace significantly again. But I won't, after going round for an hour I prefer making detours and discovering new roads. And maybe a new track on the next summer holiday.

Timestamps with different company in the description.

 
Sekred said:
Any brakes left at the end?.
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No clues of excessive wear. No smell, no fade, no visible disc wear, nothing. Up to 300kW and 0.6G regen on the brake pedal doing their thing. Not a single hickup in brake feel consistency.

That said, on very brake heavy tracks, the pads are apparently not the best as reported by others that track regularly and with, so far, a distinct lack of easy to source aftermarket options. Only matter of time, still a young platform.
 
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Took a ring taxi with the Hyundai lot over in Germany in the 5N a few weeks ago. Needless to say the drivers there know their craft, and the car was simply sublime. Truth be told the fake gearing stuff fooled me, brilliant car that can certainly be thrown about with the right skill.

Converted from "it's probably just a gimmick" to "I want one" in under 8 minutes 😂
 
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