GR Yaris (Gen 2) GR Yaris Mk2 (MY2024->)



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And auto slower than manual 0-100 but faster around lap 🤔🤓

Is there self denial happening here
 
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Auto was also slower around lap for 1.5s. But I wouldn't take this test serious. One car has handbrake that doesn't work and he complains that tires are worn differently. I still wouldn't assume that automatic is faster in any meaningful way. I ordered automatic and I hope I won't be disappointed.
 
Inversed said:
Auto was also slower around lap for 1.5s. But I wouldn't take this test serious. One car has handbrake that doesn't work and he complains that tires are worn differently. I still wouldn't assume that automatic is faster in any meaningful way. I ordered automatic and I hope I won't be disappointed.
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But the auto was the one with better brakes and tires... the autobox shift like shit. That's exactly what I suspected from the beginning. Finally a test where no influencer was paid for 3 minutes of city traffic....

Pay attention to the seconds of remembrance. <----EDIT: (I mean the time the transmission needs to think before it shifts...)
 
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Pretty sure I remember someone from Toyota citing making the car more accessible and an automatic transmission is a big part of that. Especially nowadays.

Don't see a problem with that. But then I never expected significant performance improvements.
 
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Why don't we get this choice!?! Cmon Toyota :) I will do it anyways as soon as I get a car, but it will cost more than an option probably. I will put XPEL PPF on it.
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Take a look at Hexis Bodyfence PPF. One of the best on the market, cheaper than XPEL
 
Galerion said:
Pretty sure I remember someone from Toyota citing making the car more accessible and an automatic transmission is a big part of that. Especially nowadays.

Don't see a problem with that. But then I never expected significant performance improvements.
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I actually remember that the same Morizo, while speaking about the incoming auto gear, said that most of Japanese drivers have a driving license limited to automatic cars, and that he thought that with the DAT gear, many more drivers could finally taste sport driving (and make the whole of GRY project much more profitable, of course).
I think that DAT is (or will soon become) a great auto gear, but it won't and couldn't ever give the full "experience" of a car like this, mostly due to the fact that an auto gear has always to be way on the safe side of the gear choice in order to protect the transmission and the engine.
It's not by coincidence that most of the Japanese manufacturers favored pairing manual gears with AWD cars, because of the complexity of managing the torque distribution. And rightly so, Japanese engineers kept it simpler to make it last longer.
Hence I think it's already a great gift by Morizo giving us the choice between manual and auto for an extreme car like the GRY, but for many reasons we can't expect to enjoy the full potential of the car when an auto gear is involved.
Just my two cents, clearly, and feel free to call me biased since I ordered a manual Mk2 one. 😬
 
Thats a good point. I have told my young great nephew he will be left my GRY or whatever I own when I go up to the great car dealership wating room in the sky - which means he will need to take a manual driving test. He will also need to do this if he wants to buy a vintage car one day.
 
cuddles said:
Thats a good point. I have told my young great nephew he will be left my GRY or whatever I own when I go up to the great car dealership wating room in the sky - which means he will need to take a manual driving test. He will also need to do this if he wants to buy a vintage car one day.
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I totally agree with you. You never know what you will happen to drive in a lifetime, and you have to be ready to manage a manual car sometimes, even if you won't to.
For instance, in Italy if you rent a car the manual gear is the standard, and you need to pay much more for a car with auto gear, and often there is no one available.
 
My immediate family totals 10 motor vehicles, 3 4wds (that are used as 4wds), 6 hatches (GRY, i30, i30N, the Mazda 2 and 2 st150/xr4 Fiestas) and a sedan (mkII escort). One of these has an automatic transmission. It is our land cruiser which does a lot of beach work and towing.
 
I just bought a shitbox to teach my son to drive in, it's a manual Mazda 323.
Learning manual should have been mandatory for emergencies but I think we are passed all that now with nearly everything being automatic.
 
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Auto was also slower around lap for 1.5s. But I wouldn't take this test serious. One car has handbrake that doesn't work and he complains that tires are worn differently. I still wouldn't assume that automatic is faster in any meaningful way. I ordered automatic and I hope I won't be disappointed.
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also, they drove in expert mode vs ESP fully off, can clearly hear the ESP working at e.g. 23:01
 
So actually the new one is a little bit lighter then the old one (5kg)? While it has more options...
Also funny how the acceleration of the manual vs automatic is the same, that means the automatic isn't really fast and launch control isn't great.
 
sandervdw said:
So actually the new one is a little bit lighter then the old one (5kg)? While it has more options...
Also funny how the acceleration of the manual vs automatic is the same, that means the automatic isn't really fast and launch control isn't great.
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I had your same thoughts while reading the specs pdf. I remember the recent video taken at the new Toyota Circuit in Japan (by Carwow) where the auto-Mk2 scored a better 0-100km/h than the manual one. So what data should we trust?
The 0-100 performance is not much important in real life, but it's someway important to us who are blindly buying a car before knowing how well will actually perform the automatic gear with respect to the manual gear.
I guess one of the most trustworthy source has been these two posts by @MRA3, very clear and with many founded arguments:

https://www.gr-zoo.com/threads/onehps-first-thoughts-on-the-mk2-2024-features.5774/post-88802
https://www.gr-zoo.com/threads/gr-yaris-mk2-my2024.3989/post-94832

To me, one thing that also made the needle tilt towards the manual gear was the emission rate (confirmed by the pdf data), that is much higher for the auto, and dangerously beyond a "rounded" threshold (200) that in the current times could mean a higher probability to incur in insane taxes like we are already seeing around in Europe.
 
markku said:
I had your same thoughts while reading the specs pdf. I remember the recent video taken at the new Toyota Circuit in Japan (by Carwow) where the auto-Mk2 scored a better 0-100km/h than the manual one. So what data should we trust?
The 0-100 performance is not much important in real life, but it's someway important to us who are blindly buying a car before knowing how well will actually perform the automatic gear with respect to the manual gear.
I guess one of the most trustworthy source has been these two posts by @MRA3, very clear and with many founded arguments:

https://www.gr-zoo.com/threads/onehps-first-thoughts-on-the-mk2-2024-features.5774/post-88802
https://www.gr-zoo.com/threads/gr-yaris-mk2-my2024.3989/post-94832

To me, one thing that also made the needle tilt towards the manual gear was the emission rate (confirmed by the pdf data), that is much higher for the auto, and dangerously beyond a "rounded" threshold (200) that in the current times could mean a higher probability to incur in insane taxes like we are already seeing around in Europe.
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In Flanders:
Manual: 2310€ one-time tax and 327€ yearly
Automatic: 3765€ one-time tax and 343€ yearly

In France, the difference is 23000€...
 
sandervdw said:
In Flanders:
Manual: 2310€ one-time tax and 327€ yearly
Automatic: 3765€ one-time tax and 343€ yearly

In France, the difference is 23000€...
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Yes, in some countries my fears have already become a tough reality... :(
 
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