GR Yaris Dealer Service - Oil Query

Here’s one: https://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-215398...ormance-0w-20-fully-synthetic-engine-oil.aspx

I think this was the one I used. GF6A spec. But talk to Opie for options.

I used this oil for my service. I took it along and then asked the tech to show me the bottle before they did the service. When it said SN+ on the label I asked him to put my oil in instead and they did.

There was an EXTENSIVE thread on this topic in the other GRY forum. I'm surpirsed they haven't got the correct oil even now, but maybe they're just not used to having this type of vehicle across the dealer network. It's also a relatively new car so I'm hoping in the comming year's they get the correct Engine oil into dealerships.

Depends on what you consider to be correct oil.

The manual provides alternative options. Last time I checked, Toyota would only make available one of these options in the UK, ie the SN PLUS “Resource-Conserving”. However, I understand that this is the lower quality option and also it's not showing on your enhine oil cap:
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I have high confidence that Ravenol provide the oil spec showing on the engine oil cap.

@Brasso thanks for sharing code & photo. On that photo I don't see any reference to "Resource Conserving" or "RC" (eg next to the "SP" bit). Perhaps someone more knowledgeable than me can advise.

This really bugged me when I took mine in for service. The manual & the engine oil cap state SP so stop trying to fob me off with SN+.
 
This is the one i used last time

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Didn't Ford have this same problem with the Ecoboost engine, when it was first on general release? - Bulk oil used at servicing led to premature failures but the problem stopped once word got around the dealerships that the engine used a different spec oil to the rest of the range.

I think I'll be having chat with my service dept. when the car goes in, in a couple of months....
 
It's so easy to buy your own oil, just do that, then you know exactly what's in it. Simple.
Some have essentially committed to pay for Toyota oils, by signing up to Toyota service plans, which may now prove to be "false economy".

To them, buying their own oils would feel like paying for the oil twice, due to no fault of their own. I'd still be inclined to get the right oil in the engine first and try to sort out compensation later, but appreciate this is not an easy decision.

Perhaps, if Toyota couldn't supply oils to the spec (they have) set for the car, then this could justify customers exiting service plan contracts, with no penalties.
 
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If you supply your own oil, how can you trust them to actually use it? And if you are supplying consumables whats the point of paying for service other than the obvious warranty. This is building a massive mistrust on the ability of a main dealer to complete in essence a relatively simple task. If they can't get that right it doesn't look good for any other work.
 
You make great points. With places where you hand something over and they handle it behind closed doors, trust is key. This whole story with the engine oil (this thread is not the only one, unfortunately; the issue has been well documented) is having negative and probably lasting implications on the Toyota brand and our relationship with them.


If you supply your own oil, how can you trust them to actually use it?...

I'm inclined to trust them to use it. Reasons are:

  • The root cause for concern has been that they demonstrate ignorance and take things lightly, not that they are acting maliciously;
  • The widespread nature of the failure across many different dealers and countries indicates a cultural issue, a failure across much of the Toyota network. I'm not aware of any signs that any specific mechanics said they would use one oil and used another. So, again, it's more of a training issue and deviating from the culture Toyota Japan are known for with reference to consistent quality and getting things right.
  • I don't have much choice. The amount of time I spend researching & looking after this car is a lot more than I had ever wished for; so, I try not get even more involved with DIY, etc solutions .

... And if you are supplying consumables whats the point of paying for service other than the obvious warranty....

The "obvious warranty" is a biggie. Other than that, the great reliability of Toyota means a lack of independent Toyota garages (the few I found, I didn't even want to go near. I remember one in my area stated on their website that if they suggest works relating to safety and you don't give them the go ahead, they won't give you back the keys "for your own good"). Therefore, if you want your car to be serviced in a garage where they have had a few like yours, are more likely to be equipped with the right resources, have access to many more (official ones), will perform minor corrective work if instructed internally by the manufacturer, etc, then the Toyota main network is still your best bet.


... This is building a massive mistrust on the ability of a main dealer to complete in essence a relatively simple task. If they can't get that right it doesn't look good for any other work.

I echo your views. It should be a simple task, so it is very worrying. When I asked for other work that was still simple, yet off the beaten track, they couldn't do it and didn't feel bad about that either. No reassurance from my side that what I was asking could be done would prompt them try a bit harder, reach out to their network for advice, etc. Just no willingness to get involved and a response that it's not doable (when I know it is). So, I won't push them to do something they dont want to do. I'll go to them for basic works, for my convenience, but for more serious work, I'll have to travel hundreds of miles to get to someone who seems more interested and capable, like RRG Macc's @Richard Mckay on @Lauren 's recommendation.
 
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You make great points. With places where you hand something over and they handle it behind closed doors, trust is key. This whole story with the engine oil (this thread is not the only one, unfortunately; the issue has been well documented) is having a negative and probably lasting implications on the Toyota brand and our relationship with them.




I'm inclined to trust them to use it. Reasons are:

  • The root cause for concern has been that they demonstrate ignorance and take things lightly, not that they are acting maliciously;
  • The widespread nature of the failure across many different dealers and countries indicates a cultural issue, a failure across much of the Toyota network. I'm not aware of any signs that any specific mechanics said they would use one oil and used another. So, again, it's more of a training issue and deviating from the culture Toyota Japan are known for with reference to consistent quality and getting things right.
  • I don't have much choice. The amount of time I spend researching & looking after this car is a lot more than I had ever wished for; so, I try not get even more involved with DIY, etc solutions .



The "obvious warranty" is a biggie. Other than that, the great reliability of Toyota means a lack of independent Toyota garages (the few I found, I didn't even want to go near. I remember one in my area stated on their website that if they suggest works relating to safety and you don't give them the go ahead, they won't give you back the keys "for your own good"). Therefore, if you want your car to be serviced in a garage where they have had a few like yours, are more likely to be equipped with the right resources, have access to many more (official ones), will perform minor corrective work if instructed internally by the manufacturer, etc, then the Toyota main network is still your best bet.




I echo your views. It should be a simple task, so it is very worrying. When I asked for other work that was still simple, yet off the beaten track, they couldn't do it and didn't feel bad about that either. No reassurance from my side that what I was asking could be done would prompt them try a bit harder, reach out to their network for advice, etc. Just no willingness to get involved and a response that it's not doable (when I know it is). So, I won't push them to do something they dont want to do. I'll go to them for basic works, for my convenience, but for more serious work, I'll have to travel hundreds of miles to get to someone who seems more interested and capable, like RRG Macc's @Richard Mckay on @Lauren 's recommendation.
I was hoping that these issues would have been ironed out as the first cars delivered reached their first anniversary service December 21, so 6 months in the correct oil should be in the workshop/store as a consumable which shouldn't be on back order and in abundance. Yes I did my own oil change at 1200 miles purchased the filter from Toyota and sourced the oil from Opie the Millers brand. It wasn't difficult and the cost was around £60 in total, however I will not be supplying oil to be still charged the full amount without an adjustment to the invoice.
 
Would supplying your own oil, in the event of unrelated engine failure your warranty maybe questioned espeically if it was noted “customer supplied own oil” only. Thus Toyota could say you supplied incorrect oil?

Do dealers object to own supplied parts, as then their insurance isn’t technically valid?

Just throwing out some ideas

I just stayed before the service can you list the oil grade you are using and note it in the service sheet. Nice prompt and a nice record
 
Would supplying your own oil, in the event of unrelated engine failure your warranty maybe questioned espeically if it was noted “customer supplied own oil” only. Thus Toyota could say you supplied incorrect oil?

Do dealers object to own supplied parts, as then their insurance isn’t technically valid?

Just throwing out some ideas

I just stayed before the service can you list the oil grade you are using and note it in the service sheet. Nice prompt and a nice record
Good relevant points made.
 
I was hoping that these issues would have been ironed out as the first cars delivered reached their first anniversary service December 21, so 6 months in the correct oil should be in the workshop/store as a consumable which shouldn't be on back order and in abundance. Yes I did my own oil change at 1200 miles purchased the filter from Toyota and sourced the oil from Opie the Millers brand. It wasn't difficult and the cost was around £60 in total, however I will not be supplying oil to be still charged the full amount without an adjustment to the invoice.
Yes, I'm not on a service plan and dealers (Toyota and other makes) are happy to quote me prices with me supplying the oil/-s.

For the GRY, the amount dealers deducted (for the cost of engine oil I'm not buying from them) was roughly the amount I paid for the non-Toyota oil. So, the total cost was the same to me, but for a higher quality oil.

Would supplying your own oil, in the event of unrelated engine failure your warranty maybe questioned espeically if it was noted “customer supplied own oil” only. Thus Toyota could say you supplied incorrect oil?

Do dealers object to own supplied parts, as then their insurance isn’t technically valid?

Just throwing out some ideas

I just stayed before the service can you list the oil grade you are using and note it in the service sheet. Nice prompt and a nice record
The warranty may be questioned on that basis, so one needs to be extra careful with gathering, recording and keeping any evidence that would demonstrate the spec of oil you supplied.

I haven't had any objections from dealers when asking to bring my own oils. Providing parts other than oils is probably a different story, so likely to depend on the dealer and whether they accommodate that.
 
I think there is some over thinking or severe pessimism going on here.

I supplied my own oil at my first service in April. The service manager was fine about it. Took the right amount of money off the bill. Very clear notes on the worksheet that customer is supplying own oil. They gave me back the contents of the oil I supplied, small amount but some left as expected. Unless they decided to pour away a certain amount to make me think they used it.....this is far fetched to say the least. No notes to say "warranty voided due to use of own oil". Easy to prove oil used was in spec.

I get the bit about people having paid service plans, you will either have to accept you lose some money or risk Toyota putting the right oil in. I would rather lose a bit of money personally but to each their own. I am fully satisfied my car has the right oil in it, it's piece of mind at the end of the day.
 
So just to update, I contacted Toyota through social media and they asked the technical team and came up with this as the oil that should be used. I am going to check my oil cap and get back to them with a picture of mine if it is the same as another posters above.

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They did also confirm that using the GR Supra oil was incorrect and should be logged as a error.
 
... This makes me think that the situation in December 2021 (if this is indeed when that table was valid) hadn't changed. I understand that the only Toyota oil (barely) suitable for the GRY has consistently been the one showing on the table as "0W-20 AFE Extra".

If for any reason I had to choose an oil from the Toyota range, I would only find the "0W-20 AFE Extra" acceptable....
So, based on @bl88coe 's post above, things remain the same since December 2021; in fact, since December 2020.

The "0W-20 AFE Extra" seems to still be the only (barely) suitable oil offered through Toyota in the UK, albeit not the best out there.

If I were offered another oil through Toyota, I would certainly challenge them.
 
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So just to update, I contacted Toyota through social media and they asked the technical team and came up with this as the oil that should be used. I am going to check my oil cap and get back to them with a picture of mine if it is the same as another posters above.

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They did also confirm that using the GR Supra oil was incorrect and should be logged as a error.
I am finding this a little puzzling as the oil above GF-5 has been stated by Toyota as the correct one but the 3rd post on page 1 states his was taken back due to it having a GF-5 put in.
I used to take my own oil with the Celica but feel after reading this topic that for me I should be letting my garage know of the oil issues people have and I want them to show me what they are putting in and why that is correct. I feel that if the service manager is aware of the concerns then it can't be a problem for him to make sure it is ordered for my service. They phoned today for feedback on the service and I explained this topic on two forums and he said he would look into it and get back to me. It shouldn't be a problem and some might be getting a bit worked up but it does have to be correct - but so do many other things with a car like this. I trust my garage and have done for about 20 years. I will remember at the next service though and ask them for clarification. The salesman who sold me mine aslo bought one so will mention it to him for his thoughts and see what he says. Once the garage has looked at it there should be no problem again as they know what to use.
 
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