GR Yaris (Gen 2) GR Yaris Mk2 (MY2024->)

@wooly11 you have a point on confirmation bias, but I also see you have your own as we basically haven't seen, by your own words, a proper review of the DAT (RTFM hasn't got review status). IF it shifts like a sequential on the gearstick (rally driving can't have two paddles twirling around with the steering), I might be game for a DAT (as stated somewhere here before). But that's a big fat if....
 
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The tune on the gts was as tight as possible in manual mode and the changes quite sharp with the paddles but it was still slow and engine braking was lost as the torquecoverter ran on. No comparison at all with the dct which was instant each way and allowed you to multiple shift down early and it just dropped gears as speed fell. Life has changed a lot since then so I hope the auto is good.

A few guys had auto m135 and m235s at the sprints and they struggled to get decent changes and for one poor pilot he stomped on the accelerator to get it to change down and when it did all he'll broke loose and he disappeared over the horizon. Sadly the track didn't.
 
To elaborate a bit more, maybe the point is that the GRY auto gear is a very good one, but it does what "should be usually done", offering the best gears for the best performance "in average", even to drivers that are not so keen to exploit all the nuances of a special car like this really is.

What I'm afraid I'd miss with the auto gear, even a great one like the GRY's one surely is, it's the chance to make the car do something that an auto gear would consider a bit beyond the set boundaries, but based on my experience and driving taste it would be the right thing to do, like selecting a very low gear to shift the weight of the car (even unbalancing it a bit) while approaching a sharp turn, for instance.

In a few words, I'd say that the polished approach by a auto gear software could tame the car a bit, blocking the access to an important part of this special car's behavior, a car that among its great pluses, it is very keen to adapt to almost any driving style like a glove.

Maybe I'm feeling that I'm going to save that 2500 euros... And maybe using them for a proper sequential one? ;)
 
Onehp said:
@wooly11 you have a point on confirmation bias, but I also see you have your own as we basically haven't seen, by your own words, a proper review of the DAT (RTFM hasn't got review status). IF it shifts like a sequential on the gearstick (rally driving can't have two paddles twirling around with the steering), I might be game for a DAT (as stated somewhere here before). But that's a big fat if....
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Totally agree with you
 
If you pull the pedal behind the steering wheel you want instant and hard feel the car goes down in gear just like a pdk or manual. A torque converter will never give you that feel because of the slip it has. And therefore it feels slow.

If my gt4rs had a torque converter instead of a pdk i would never buy one. A torque converter can never match a PDK. So then you better off with a Manual!

For daily use in a daily car any torque converter is fine. It works ok in my SUV.

And i don’t want the extra weight in the yaris GR. Keep it light and simple. Manual for me!
 
for all day use I understand the benefits of auto, but for road use not really. GR has such good torque that it is mostly not that much gear change need - its more of selecting what speed you're willing do to. Usually on 3rd, good for 70-130km/h, 4rd then over 110km/h. 2nd is seldom used (well only if road is VERY twisty).
 
I hate to break the news to you, but if you expect a perfect auto similar to a PDK of a Porsche GT you will be very dissapointed.

I guess everyone will rate the new auto transmission depending on expectations, but going for the auto version without trying it first could be a big mistake.

It’s also a mistake from Toyota, having the demo cars available in June, and opening and closing orders in March/April for the first slots, because a lot of owners will order the auto and maybe get disappointed with it.

The feedback I got after a few people testing it properly (on track) is, buy the manual.
 
I think it's really great that Toyota is giving us the Choice, obviously we all vary hugely in what we use are cars for and how we drive them. I started to long ago with the very first hot hatch when it first came out the Renault 5 Gordini (Alpine) and absolutely enjoyed thrashing the nuts off it and racing every gear around to the red. I still enjoy high speed driving and have an extensive garage including a sit on your backside sports car. if I can get one it will be the auto for me, but everyone to their own. The good news is that all of you with MK1 manuals will probably not be chasing the new one so will give the rest of us a better chance of joining the party! Cheers!
 
If I could, I'd have a grey auto mk2 to sit along side my white manual mk1 but these tax hikes and price hikes have made it unrealistic... :confused:
So it just may be the people that missed out on the Mk1 buying these Mk2's... :unsure: 😅 😁
 
Onehp said:
I don't really care. They both look fine. While looks matter to some degree, it's quite far down the list for me. I think some here are caring a bit too much. It's still a Yaris...

Those that really really care don't want to be seen within 20m radius of a Yaris, and I love that so I don't have to deal with their beautiful personality ;)
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Neither do I, and nor am I thinking about what is technically "importable" from MK 2 to MK I. Can't say I like the front bumper much, not more not less than the MK 1's one. I only "see" the technical advantage of it to install an engine oil cooler there, the fact that the bumper is in three pieces makes it obviously cheaper when having to repair damage, the steel mesh grille instead of plastic. If that front bumper fits the MK 1... no, I'm not thinking of it at all...
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Same for the rear diffuser, I quite like the idea of the visible exhaust silencer, but only if you swap the OEM for a beautifully crafted rally-like welded Titanium silencer to show off to the tailgaters / bumper suckers. But then, not even thinking of "importing" that to the MK 1, too many mods to do regarding the fog & reverse lights...
 
tbydwrds said:
Also, the new grey colour looks considerably lighter than the original press shots. A darker grey would have looked much nicer IMO.
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Isn't that just an optical illusion due to all that snow reflecting on a very glossy new paint ?
 
micsub said:
Isn't that just an optical illusion due to all that snow reflecting on a very glossy new paint ?
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Actually I saw a grey one in some photos from a closed space (a showroom in Japan) and I'm pretty sure it is a quite light shade of grey, more close to a silver color than to the Ogier edition color, for instance.
When I first saw it in the launch photo of the Mk2, I was almost convinced to get it in grey, but now that I saw it in different lights and conditions, I decided to go for the Pure White again.
 
markku said:
Actually I saw a grey one in some photos from a closed space (a showroom in Japan) and I'm pretty sure it is a quite light shade of grey, more close to a silver color than to the Ogier edition color, for instance.
When I first saw it in the launch photo of the Mk2, I was almost convinced to get it in grey, but now that I saw it in different lights and conditions, I decided to go for the Pure White again.
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It's always hard to judge from photos - but if you pay attention to the relative contrast between the silver headlights and the black trim, it appears to be on the lighter side.

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tbydwrds said:
It's always hard to judge from photos - but if you pay attention to the relative contrast between the silver headlights and the black trim, it appears to be on the lighter side.
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Yes, exactly, that is one of the photo I saw, and that convinced myself as well that it is very much on the lighter side (that personally I don't like so much on a car like the GRY)
 
Something doesn't look right, look at the colour of the top of the dash it also looks the very same very light grey which it certainly is not.
 
Reserve judgement until the new colour can be seen in the flesh is my take. I remember thinking the black looked pretty grey under bright lighting when the first pictures appeared and that put me off. I ended up with a black car regardless!
 
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Went to local dealer a couple of weeks ago and was shown a different model in the same colour, I thought it was fine, it is not gun metal grey but it is also not light grey. I would call it mid grey which about tallies with the original launch photos from 12/01/24
 
Triggaaar said:
I've never driven a good automatic, so I take your word for it, but why does it matter if downshifts are slow, since you're off power anyway?
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You basically have three avenues of controlling the car: brakes, throttle, and steering (and clutch on a conventional manual, if you want to count that, but that's about tweaking what the throttle does [or doesn't do])

People have mentioned wanting power on the way out of the corner, but even on the way into the corner having the transmission a gear too high or in the process of shifting blunts one of your avenues of control. If it's in the midst of shifting the throttle probably won't do anything and if it's a gear too high then the throttle response will be too slow (increasing/decreasing throttle will be too slow to increase/decrease power) to make adjustments.

You've still got brakes and steering, so it shouldn't lead to an accident. But it's not ideal.

On a motorcycle there aren't too many feelings worse than catching a false-neutral when downshifting into a corner. You've still got steering and brakes, but it feels too much like just being along for the ride.
 
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