GR Yaris (Gen 2) Onehp's first thoughts on the mk2 2024 features

Spirited said:
Wow, powerslides on dry tarmac?! With the MK1 @Phil1291 reached a stage where he reported being able to enjoy powerslides, but that came after a power increase of a lot more than 20ish bhp, if I remember correctly, plus many more upgrades in parallel. And even then, I don't think he reported huge, prolonged powerslides; quite the opposite. But then again I cannot do powerslides on dry tarmac with the MK1 fullstop; not with weight transfer, not with any other driving technique. So, maybe it's a matter of skill (or lack of, in my case). Still surprised to read about powerslides implied on dry tarmac in the set-up-for-grip 4WD 2xx bhp GRY.


Good to know you're enthusiastic about the chassis upgrades. Could you please elaborate on what you think are the most significant changes, with any details you may have, if any are available to you at this early stage?

I mean, what changes exactly in the front geometry make you feel these are a game changer for some? In terms of result, are you referring mainly to the ability of the new car to better maintain the alignment settings with the suspension compressed (an issue pointed out by @Phil1291 )?

Also, if you happen to have any details about changes to the rear suspension, please share together with any views you may have on these. I ask as @Phil1291 hinted towards potential major changes there (at 9:02 of his video). Even if there aren't any major changes, it would be useful to know even about minor parts being upgraded, as, for example, expert users have reported about the rear trailing arm bush in the MK1 coming straight from the humble Yaris and that having it upgraded may tackle the GRY's tendency to snap oversteer at times (alongside with improvements to steering, etc), while finding a decent upgrade that will stand the test of time (and salty roads) hasn't been easy.

I appreciate it may simply be too early and difficult to have such details and I'm still grateful for all the valuable and reliable updates you have been providing proactively and consistently. (y)
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Mine slides on wet tarmac. on dry haven't tried on road, only on track. but find it hard to believe that added 20hp would make it do any more powerslides on dry tarmac, but sales persons are of course more potent in every aspect so its possible!
 
I do hope and believe they have succeeded in setting up the mk2 well, meaning it keeps traction going on (dry) powerslides as in point 2 in the original post, where the mk1, at times, can lose its (rear) traction when provoked hard. More torque (aka mid range power) surely helps too.

My car sits roughly at the mk2 JDM power specs, and on my summer tyres, drift tyres, I can pull long 2nd gear power/drift slides with the help of some clutch dumping. But it wears tyres like hell so not sure why one would want to do that on regular basis - anyway not a reason for me to go mk2 :D but I sure as hell would have loved the mk2 when I first got the car!
 
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Spirited said:
Wow, powerslides on dry tarmac?! With the MK1 @Phil1291 reached a stage where he reported being able to enjoy powerslides, but that came after a power increase of a lot more than 20ish bhp, if I remember correctly, plus many more upgrades in parallel. And even then, I don't think he reported huge, prolonged powerslides; quite the opposite. But then again I cannot do powerslides on dry tarmac with the MK1 fullstop; not with weight transfer, not with any other driving technique. So, maybe it's a matter of skill (or lack of, in my case). Still surprised to read about powerslides implied on dry tarmac in the set-up-for-grip 4WD 2xx bhp GRY.
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Look at this one.


Obviously no info on mods but from the outside it's stock besides a different exhaust.

I unfortunately don't have the place to try out stuff like that regularly but from my own experience the car will do it but only if you really provoke it. Weight transfer can work if done right and the handbrake will work 100% of the time. A wheel that is blocked has no cornering grip. It's why Toyota has given us this tool and it's why pro Rally drivers use it in their profession too.

The one thing that really doesn't work is power oversteer like in RWD car unless you go big power like you mentioned. You might feel a small twitch from the rear but that's all you are getting. Even in the wet I wouldn't count on it honestly. At least with decent tires.
On loose surfaces like snow though you can have some fun with it. I just had the rare chance of doing that yesterday :giggle:
 
Galerion said:
Look at this one.


Obviously no info on mods but from the outside it's stock besides a different exhaust.

I unfortunately don't have the place to try out stuff like that regularly but from my own experience the car will do it but only if you really provoke it. Weight transfer can work if done right and the handbrake will work 100% of the time. A wheel that is blocked has no cornering grip. It's why Toyota has given us this tool and it's why pro Rally drivers use it in their profession too.

The one thing that really doesn't work is power oversteer like in RWD car unless you go big power like you mentioned. You might feel a small twitch from the rear but that's all you are getting. Even in the wet I wouldn't count on it honestly. At least with decent tires.
On loose surfaces like snow though you can have some fun with it. I just had the rare chance of doing that yesterday :giggle:
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That's good driving, the guy is in control and smooth, if you aren't you can lift the inner rear tyre and loose forward drive as the torsens need both axle tyres on the ground to work. But still people will say it doesn't do much out of bends on power and, well yes, if you just push the throttle and expect you to look like a rally hero, you're out of luck. Pretty sure the mk2 is the same....

Onehp said:
The Mk2 has good improvements but in the big picture, they are incremental and the driver remains the centre on both and also the biggest variable…
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My emphasis, I do mean that, it's very easy to look for improvements in the car and not see that the biggest hinderance to get the potential out of the car is the one telling it what to do.

I resurface this vid which doesn't get so much spread because it is in French probably, but you don't have to understand what they are saying... bone stock Yaris on PS4S doing 3rd gear slides in the dry, and what else. I don't know why one would want a car to power oversteer, it seems much more satisfying to have the driving skills to me.


It's like photographers that think the latest camera will make them better and suddenly will make them take pics like a pro. And when it didn't work (if they even realise it), the do it again when the next one comes out. And again... Same goes with cars, people buy cars in search of driving nirvana, but forget it is just a tool, and you sometimes need good tools, but those are nothing without operator skills...

No judgement of course, if you think that mk2 will give you more satisfaction out of your drives, by all means. But be realistic, chances are the car isn't the limitation....
 
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Onehp said:
That's good driving, the guy is in control and smooth, if you aren't you can lift the inner rear tyre and loose forward drive as the torsens need both axle tyres on the ground to work. But still people will say it doesn't do much out of bends on power and, well yes, if you just push the throttle and expect you to look like a rally hero, you're out of luck. Pretty sure the mk2 is the same....



My emphasis, I do mean that, it's very easy to look for improvements in the car and not see that the biggest hinderance to get the potential out of the car is the one telling it what to do.

I resurface this vid which doesn't get so much spread because it is in French probably, but you don't have to understand what they are saying... bone stock Yaris on PS4S doing 3rd gear slides in the dry, and what else. I don't know why one would want a car to power oversteer, it seems much more satisfying to have the driving skills to me.


It's like photographers that think the latest camera will make them better and suddenly will make them take pics like a pro. And when it didn't work (if they even realise it), the do it again when the next one comes out. And again... Same goes with cars, people buy cars in search of driving nirvana, but forget it is just a tool, and you sometimes need good tools, but those are nothing without operator skills...

No judgement of course, if you think that mk2 will give you more satisfaction out of your drives, by all means. But be realistic, chances are the car isn't the limitation....
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must agree. On saturday's recce Mk1 was just perfect tool to practice turns, didn't miss a single beat (well once in crossroads center diff was sleeping so instead of power oversteer car understeered for some reason). but hard to think mk2 would be any better. Manual, good driving position and sufficient power works rather fine at least on loose grip conditions. With fat tires and race track it might be different story.

More rear biased AWD Setup with mk1 could actually be more fun on loose surface - yes its slower, but gives more giggle/slidey time, as its easier to power drift out.
In my use case the current power works well - 3rd pulls well and if you need to go to 4th gear you're already doing stupid things. Only on race track 4th is needed.

to be honest its a bit 'cheap' to market the car with improved 0-60 or quarter mile times (well, toyota didn't do it, but press did if of course). maybe it speaks to the general public.
It might be good that these super hatches get more traction in general public vs. EV talks. bring back the golden 70'es and 80'es. :D
 
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Old64er said:
It's funny but I see this whole car as a mk1.5. The changes are only minor really. It's reminds me of when I had a Golf R and they made it from a 7 to a 7.5. That also had different gearbox from 6 speed DSG to 7 speed and interior and exterior styling updates.
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I think the chassi mods makes this one a proper mk2 evolution, plus the auto gearbox… If the changes were all cosmetic, I’d agree but it’s not really the case…
 
Spirited said:
Wow, powerslides on dry tarmac?! With the MK1 @Phil1291 reached a stage where he reported being able to enjoy powerslides, but that came after a power increase of a lot more than 20ish bhp, if I remember correctly, plus many more upgrades in parallel. And even then, I don't think he reported huge, prolonged powerslides; quite the opposite. But then again I cannot do powerslides on dry tarmac with the MK1 fullstop; not with weight transfer, not with any other driving technique. So, maybe it's a matter of skill (or lack of, in my case). Still surprised to read about powerslides implied on dry tarmac in the set-up-for-grip 4WD 2xx bhp GRY.


Good to know you're enthusiastic about the chassis upgrades. Could you please elaborate on what you think are the most significant changes, with any details you may have, if any are available to you at this early stage?

I mean, what changes exactly in the front geometry make you feel these are a game changer for some? In terms of result, are you referring mainly to the ability of the new car to better maintain the alignment settings with the suspension compressed (an issue pointed out by @Phil1291 )?

Also, if you happen to have any details about changes to the rear suspension, please share together with any views you may have on these. I ask as @Phil1291 hinted towards potential major changes there (at 9:02 of his video). Even if there aren't any major changes, it would be useful to know even about minor parts being upgraded, as, for example, expert users have reported about the rear trailing arm bush in the MK1 coming straight from the humble Yaris and that having it upgraded may tackle the GRY's tendency to snap oversteer at times (alongside with improvements to steering, etc), while finding a decent upgrade that will stand the test of time (and salty roads) hasn't been easy.

I appreciate it may simply be too early and difficult to have such details and I'm still grateful for all the valuable and reliable updates you have been providing proactively and consistently. (y)
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Don’t get too excited with power slides, because I think that means that the car is more eager to carry on with the slide than the mk1, but it hasn’t become a skyline.

I think that with the syvecs awd in the mk1, you can achieve a much more lively rear end on power, with standard or similar power increase so I suspect the traction modes have been reworked to help on that.

Re suspension, I think the rear stays the same, and the front, you can see what they’ve done to it. The new top mounts and the new geometry for the front dampers should be a very good evolution when racing, I have been told.

At the end of the day, if money is no object the new one is the better tool -aesthetics aside- but probably it’s not rational to change an mk1 for an mk2. The mk2 is not going to be 10.000-15.000 euros better than the mk1. And I do think that the bargain is the OG. Now Toyota has come to realise that there is still a market for these cars and might go Mitsu evo prices updated to 2024…so I wouldn’t be surprised on a proper price increase in the next few years, keeping high margins and low volumes (the big investment is already done with the mk1, they could exploit the platform and the engine for years to come, if the EU and other countries don’t f up the ICE).
 
Galerion said:
Look at this one.


Obviously no info on mods but from the outside it's stock besides a different exhaust.

I unfortunately don't have the place to try out stuff like that regularly but from my own experience the car will do it but only if you really provoke it. Weight transfer can work if done right and the handbrake will work 100% of the time. A wheel that is blocked has no cornering grip. It's why Toyota has given us this tool and it's why pro Rally drivers use it in their profession too.

The one thing that really doesn't work is power oversteer like in RWD car unless you go big power like you mentioned. You might feel a small twitch from the rear but that's all you are getting. Even in the wet I wouldn't count on it honestly. At least with decent tires.
On loose surfaces like snow though you can have some fun with it. I just had the rare chance of doing that yesterday :giggle:
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Need to find an open space like this and give that a go.
Might take me a while and a couple sets of tyres!
So if anyone around Yorkshire knows of any private land I could use then give me a shout.
 
MRA3 said:
I think the chassi mods makes this one a proper mk2 evolution, plus the auto gearbox… If the changes were all cosmetic, I’d agree but it’s not really the case…
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I don't consider the changes on the chassis big enough, unless the inner wings are a new profile, as I see it they drill 3 holes (like most other McPherson strut top arrangements) and call it a day. Since the marketing for the mk1 was saying a single mount point for ease of swapping during events, this seems more a road biased change. They haven't even changed the front wings like they did in the Golf. The 4WD changes are software only too.
 
The more I think about it, the more I think Renault have the right idea.

Phase 1 and Phase 2. The same, but different.
 
Old64er said:
I don't consider the changes on the chassis big enough, unless the inner wings are a new profile, as I see it they drill 3 holes (like most other McPherson strut top arrangements) and call it a day. Since the marketing for the mk1 was saying a single mount point for ease of swapping during events, this seems more a road biased change. They haven't even changed the front wings like they did in the Golf. The 4WD changes are software only too.
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The geometry of the top mounts has changed too so it means that the position and angle of the front dampers are different.
 
Duke said:
Ogier is such a dude 🫡
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Yes, he was the only one who ran over to give me a quick autograph before service time was over. He even rushed through the paddock, which Rovanpera also signed. I thought asking didn't cost anything and he did it. I give him great credit for that❤️.

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