GR86 Would you flip your GR86?

Just thinking out loud - does anyone know how long the Japanese production run will go on for?

I remember back in the day, grey imports were a big thing.

I myself have managed to enjoy various JDM only Type-Rs through specialist importers.

Admitedly the GBP was much stronger than the JPY back then, but if demand is that strong - could we see the likes of Torque GT, Litchfield etc. develop a decent business pipeline of importing JDM GR86s?
 
:ROFLMAO: clearly missed the 'Lego' bit of that.
 
Tony458 said:
Just thinking out loud - does anyone know how long the Japanese production run will go on for?

I remember back in the day, grey imports were a big thing.

I myself have managed to enjoy various JDM only Type-Rs through specialist importers.

Admitedly the GBP was much stronger than the JPY back then, but if demand is that strong - could we see the likes of Torque GT, Litchfield etc. develop a decent business pipeline of importing JDM GR86s?
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Was thinking this earlier - there will surely be some grey imports down the line. I would have loved the JDM 'base model' which comes on steel wheels and barely any kit, so an ideal base for a modified / track car - plus it retails for about 20k GBP in Japan. Only problem is I don't think Toyota UK would warranty a grey import, and a second hand FA24 won't be the easiest engine to source in Europe...

On a similar note I hope people import the Nissan 400z when that eventually launches - would love to see one in the UK.
 
Was looking at GRY on ebay earlier and a couple of delivery mileage circuit packs up for £42k 😳

So that’s about £9k over list? I wonder what an early delivery GR86 could fetch?
 
Al4n said:
Was looking at GRY on ebay earlier and a couple of delivery mileage circuit packs up for £42k 😳

So that’s about £9k over list? I wonder what an early delivery GR86 could fetch?
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Nut's isnt it, but i guess if someone wants one and has the money theyll pay it...
 
LU71KEE said:
Nut's isnt it, but i guess if someone wants one and has the money theyll pay it...
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I could never pay over list for a car. I would love a GRY and wish I ordered one when they were first released but no matter how much I want one I just can’t pay that.

I was also looking at an i20N a few months back and they are now £5k over list.

Surprised that the Supra seems to be losing money.
 
Al4n said:
I could never pay over list for a car. I would love a GRY and wish I ordered one when they were first released but no matter how much I want one I just can’t pay that.

I was also looking at an i20N a few months back and they are now £5k over list.

Surprised that the Supra seems to be losing money.
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I looked at a Civic Type R a little while, it was up for 28k on a 68 reg, over priced IMO, but he'd told me it had been up for 33k 3 months before but now the bubble was starting to burst.

Im not sure they are, are they? seen 2 litres with a few thousand miles on going for the same as new or very slightly under

Problem with the Supra's is the extra tax because its over 40k :cry:
 
LU71KEE said:
I looked at a Civic Type R a little while, it was up for 28k on a 68 reg, over priced IMO, but he'd told me it had been up for 33k 3 months before but now the bubble was starting to burst.

Im not sure they are, are they? seen 2 litres with a few thousand miles on going for the same as new or very slightly under

Problem with the Supra's is the extra tax because its over 40k :cry:
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I have seen a few 3.0’s around the £40k mark but as you say the 2.0 is closer to list. The 2.0 makes more sense given still a quick car and a lot cheaper. Shame they are not offering a manual in that. Good deals on carwow, been offered £4800 off including the £2k deposit contribution.

The tax is a pain. It’s roughly £400 a year on top of a the standard tax, so £2k over the life of the car for the 5 years. Just have to factor that in to the overall cost I guess.

Stunning looking cars.
 
LU71KEE said:
I'm going to keep hush on the details until I decide what to do, I don't want to risk skewing people's view if they are having a good experience or be accused of whipping up a frenzy or anything like that, plus it would de-rail the thread.

I would 100% have preferred to go through a dealer.
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I’m interested to hear what was said too when you do decide what you’re going to do! Was it to do with the car or their utter contempt for the customer?
 
LU71KEE said:
I looked at a Civic Type R a little while, it was up for 28k on a 68 reg, over priced IMO, but he'd told me it had been up for 33k 3 months before but now the bubble was starting to burst.

Im not sure they are, are they? seen 2 litres with a few thousand miles on going for the same as new or very slightly under

Problem with the Supra's is the extra tax because its over 40k :cry:
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I would watch AT daily for FK8 Type-R's and then like everything they went crazy money. Was aiming at a facelift in blue but those are still more than £40k. They were asking more than £28k for 17 plate ones. All 17 plates were demos so will have all be ragged too. Makes the GR86 in blue seem a bargain. Went to see some at local dealer and they had 3 way overpriced. I said they'll never sell at that and their answer was they were still cheaper than the next nearest dealer and they were. They still have the 3 cars...

When the bubble bursts, lots of dealers will lose quite a bit.
 
KobayashiMaru86 said:
I would watch AT daily for FK8 Type-R's and then like everything they went crazy money. Was aiming at a facelift in blue but those are still more than £40k. They were asking more than £28k for 17 plate ones. All 17 plates were demos so will have all be ragged too. Makes the GR86 in blue seem a bargain. Went to see some at local dealer and they had 3 way overpriced. I said they'll never sell at that and their answer was they were still cheaper than the next nearest dealer and they were. They still have the 3 cars...

When the bubble bursts, lots of dealers will lose quite a bit.
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People have waiting for various bubbles to burst for some time. The COVID response has created some strange situations. Those who have money have been unable to spend it at their usual rate and have way more disposable cash than before.
 
For me, this will be a long term keeper. I have a Hilux for a daily driver/workhorse and the GR86 will be my weekend/GT car. If others intend to track-day/crash their GR86's, this this will become a truly unicorn car in 10+ years... No way I am taking a £5k+ profit now, when the potential is far greater in a few more years!
 
Polymorphic said:
For me, this will be a long term keeper. I have a Hilux for a daily driver/workhorse and the GR86 will be my weekend/GT car. If others intend to track-day/crash their GR86's, this this will become a truly unicorn car in 10+ years... No way I am taking a £5k+ profit now, when the potential is far greater in a few more years!
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Weekend/summer use for me also.

My Seat Mii is plenty good enough for every day use, when not on two wheels.

It's going to be quite a rare sight on our roads if it does stay at 400

MX-5 is the only other new car like these at the moment?

When they go electric, or are dropped, they'll become pretty desirable too.
 
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RedGR86 said:
I originally put the deposit down as I believed the 12 week lead time that the website was saying (I thought that as it was a limited run Toyota / Subaru would have been ahead of the game a little). The plan was to have it whilst I wait for my Emira to turn up, which could be next Spring. So the GR made sense as a stop gap, and nearer the time I could decide if it was worth pulling out of the Emira for.

Roll on nearly 3 weeks and talk of the car not showing up until next year, and I'm starting to think I will flip it if I know what the situation with the Emira is. The experience has been really deflating so far, so I'm really not sure what I will do when the car finally shows up, but the way it's trending at the moment, I would be very tempted to flip it.
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This is exactly the position I'm in and thoughts in my mind, although I've only just joined the Emira queue. It may be the Emira turns up before the GR86.

Edit: I'm hoping the GR86 is the sweet spot for just enough power and the right amount of grip to be fun on UK roads without being license-worrying though.
 
NoBoost said:
This is exactly the position I'm in and thoughts in my mind, although I've only just joined the Emira queue. It may be the Emira turns up before the GR86.

Edit: I'm hoping the GR86 is the sweet spot for just enough power and the right amount of grip to be fun on UK roads without being license-worrying though.
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I was an early one for the Emira, so I might be at the head of the queue when the Base Edition launches, but I've no idea when that will be (they just say 2023).

At the moment I have an MX-5 and a BBR Super 200 related itch that might just get scratched before either of the two cars arrive...
 
Funny how many Emira orderers there are on this forum and the extent of people cross shopping them both.

I actually had an order for a First Edition V6 which I’ve just cancelled after my GR86 got confirmed.

I decided I couldn’t justify the extra spend on the Emira when the GR86 meets all my needs realistically.

Time will tell if I have done the right thing…..
 
Tony458 said:
Funny how many Emira orderers there are on this forum and the extent of people cross shopping them both.

I actually had an order for a First Edition V6 which I’ve just cancelled after my GR86 got confirmed.

I decided I couldn’t justify the extra spend on the Emira when the GR86 meets all my needs realistically.

Time will tell if I have done the right thing…..
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I feel like even if you still wanted an Emira, being able to wait for the first batch of issues to be sorted with what is such a drastically new car for Lotus is not bad thing
 
Tushki said:
I am equally enthusiastic about GR86 given the end of ICEs sports cars in a few years (hated test driving Taycan, the claimed best EV sports car, which wouldn't have been that expensive via company car scheme). Besides the 90 mins sell-out made GR86 purchase all the more special. That said, in my view, the way economy is heading towards a slow down coupled with a high interest rate scenario, it would be very unlikely that people will be willing to pay significant premium for a sports car in the months to come. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if some buyers consider pulling out once the income squeeze starts to show towards the end of year/early 2023. Sorry for sounding gloomy in the otherwise ecstatic forum.
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God I hope so, your gloomy forecast has cheered me up no end. hehehe:giggle:

If I can't buy one new (which looks increasing likely) then I'd probably consider buying one for between £35k - £38k maybe.
 
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LU71KEE said:
I'm going to keep hush on the details until I decide what to do, I don't want to risk skewing people's view if they are having a good experience or be accused of whipping up a frenzy or anything like that, plus it would de-rail the thread.

I would 100% have preferred to go through a dealer.
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Have you decided what you want to do yet?

Interested in what you overheard when they thought you were on hold.
 
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