GR86 Vs mk4 Supra
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I always knew the mk4 supra was over rated and slow. I had a UK manual and auto and 3000GT is far quicker and engaging. Great video showing how good the GR86 is and braking performance is staggeringly better
@S18RSG the video is up!
Got to hand it to the Supra, that particular car is 30 years old and they are still comparing it to modern stuff.
Got to hand it to the Supra, that particular car is 30 years old and they are still comparing it to modern stuff.
And the comparison shows it's 30 years old. I would imagine the auto Supra might be more competitive. Interestingly Mk4 Supras were not well received in the UK (a particular Jeremy Clarkson review comes to mind) when they first came out, unlike the GR86. It's amazing how time promotes forgiveness.
S18RSG
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Thanks for the shout!
I think it's fair to say that the whole crew were quite surprised by the performance of the GR on the day. You can hear Ben calling it a little rocket and a "known quantity". This race was actually filmed after the first one, so the guys were already aware of how quick the 86 was getting up the track.
It was quite hard to see the finer details of the race from our viewing angle, but now seeing it properly, it really is surprising how little was in it. Obviously, when up to 80+mph, you'd always expect a 3L twin turbo to pull away from a 2.4 NA, but even then, I wouldn't say that appears to be a 90-100hp difference.
I plan to get the 86 on the dyno when I get the chance, get an idea of the baseline figures for the car in the UK. I have a feeling they might be quite eye opening.
S18RSG
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It got fitted the week after the shoot unfortunately! I'll get some other videos on it with the exhaust on as soon as I can.
That would be great. Mine is on order, hopefully won’t be too long.
I’m still really surprised how quick the GR86 was off the line. Picking mine up on Friday and still not driven one. Looking forward to it
LukeC22
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This was actually quite surprising, I half expected the Supra to wipe the floor with the 86. Of course, the rolling races were only going one way but there was far less in it that I thought there would be. Definitely a good show of how cars have come along.
Well after posting this, according to performance data from 12 magazine tests, the Supra should be faster everywhere. Not by a huge margin (a surprise by itself, NA4 vs FI6 after all), but definitely faster.
Either the Supra was not the best example, not earth shattering maybe after +30 years, maybe the rain in combination with maybe not the best tyres, maybe Ben isn't a born dragracer
Either the Supra was not the best example, not earth shattering maybe after +30 years, maybe the rain in combination with maybe not the best tyres, maybe Ben isn't a born dragracer
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Also note that Carwow weight stats are typically very unreliable, they just put up any number they can find, "1490kg" in case of the Supra. From the link referenced, we can see that a mk4 Supra has a declared din kerb weight of 1630kg and that magazines have actually weighed it at the most at 1685kg (=1760kg EU - 75kg driver). That's 400kg more then a GR86 folks, and the reason that's it's barely faster with all that power and torque (when present), and a very good reason to prefer the lighter GR(s) imho....
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Yeah, that Supra is goosed or hobbled by crappy tyres. No way it’s a 15.5 second car, even in the wet.
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Great result for the GR86, especially when considering how straight line speed is explicitly NOT supposed to be one of the car's key strengths.
Michael Knight
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I know. Supra was faster than generic 911 back in the days. That supra looked tad sluggish.Well after posting this, according to performance data from 12 magazine tests, the Supra should be faster everywhere. Not by a huge margin (a surprise by itself, NA4 vs FI6 after all), but definitely faster.
Either the Supra was not the best example, not earth shattering maybe after +30 years, maybe the rain in combination with maybe not the best tyres, maybe Ben isn't a born dragracer
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S18RSG
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It’s quite clear that the Supra wasn’t exactly slow when it got up to speed, so it’s not like it was making no power.
The tyres were Goodyears I seem to remember. They weren’t exactly competitors for the PS4s on my 86, but also not ditch finders.
What people forget, is all the Supra power comes from a spikey turbo power delivery. Ben was feathering the throttle through starts to stop it spinning. The 86 has just the right amount of power for those conditions, Mat was able to launch it without much trouble. 86 probably got within half a second of its potential, Supra probably more like a second or more off it’s potential.
Nobody is going to watch that video and conclude that the 86 is faster. The interesting conclusions are that:
Ultimate power isn’t everything, power delivery and ability to transfer that power into movement is more important
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The 86 is clearly no longer a slow car in the same way as the GT was.
Beyond those conclusions, there’s not much else to say. It was all for fun anyway.
I will, however, be looking to dyno the 86 soon, as there’s a lot of speculation about the actual power they make, so it will be good to find out.
Michael Knight
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The cars should have matching tyres, the test should have been done in the dry, at standard atmospheric conditions, the Supra should have had a stock exhaust, the fuel levels should be the same, the driver weights should be compensated, they should be the same colour, etc etc.
Its just a bit of fun.
Its just a bit of fun.
S18RSG
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Exactly.
It’s not a competitive drag race, it’s a demonstration of 30 years of progress. Now Toyota’s £30k entry level sports car is almost competing with their halo product from 30 years ago.
All people want to do, is equalise the odds so the Supra wins. The Supra is obviously the faster car, that doesn’t need to be proven. The fact that it loses some races should be celebrated, and Toyota should be praised for their work on the 86. That’s my opinion.
KobayashiMaru86
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This is mine, it is an aerotop, NA auto. Horribly slow, I could not care less
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