GR86 UK GR86 numbers

If it is genuine that they had until December 31st, that was as you say, to register them, not to sell them?

All they will have done is register any left over at the last minute to themselves and then sell them as ex demos?

I found it very dodgy that so many were made available as “demos" when the original allocation had already sold out so quickly!
 
this poison said:
If it is genuine that they had until December 31st, that was as you say, to register them, not to sell them?

All they will have done is register any left over at the last minute to themselves and then sell them as ex demos?
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Yes that's all they'd need to do. But what would they do if they forgot to register a car before today? Are they going to send it back to Japan? Nah.
 
On the Toyota website you can only order a car from the dealers, so once the cars already in the U.K. are sold or registered, then the final numbers will be accurate by middle of 2024, my take is the 1024 cars from Sept 2023 won’t rise as much as you think in the last quarter as I think sales of all cars dropped of a cliff in those 3 months, higher interest charges will have made it very hard to justify a purchase for what is essentially an impractical but fun sports car.
I would be surprised if we end up with more than 1200 cars, but that’s super rare for a modern production car. 10 years from now we will have just half of that number in immaculate low mileage condition, 600 cars with say just 10 minters for sale st any point in time; the rest will be battered high milers, 50 cars will have been written off, still makes holding long term a very sensible proposition.
The Ford Focus RS are seen as a desirable and expensive hot hatches and there are over 11000 MK2 and MK3 cars in the U.K.
With low numbers and the love for the GR86 from the many quantity reviews, my take is to appreciate the ownership experience and I’m positive it will end up being a very ££cheap££ experience.
 
johnybigarms said:
On the Toyota website you can only order a car from the dealers, so once the cars already in the U.K. are sold or registered, then the final numbers will be accurate by middle of 2024, my take is the 1024 cars from Sept 2023 won’t rise as much as you think in the last quarter as I think sales of all cars dropped of a cliff in those 3 months, higher interest charges will have made it very hard to justify a purchase for what is essentially an impractical but fun sports car.
I would be surprised if we end up with more than 1200 cars, but that’s super rare for a modern production car. 10 years from now we will have just half of that number in immaculate low mileage condition, 600 cars with say just 10 minters for sale st any point in time; the rest will be battered high milers, 50 cars will have been written off, still makes holding long term a very sensible proposition.
The Ford Focus RS are seen as a desirable and expensive hot hatches and there are over 11000 MK2 and MK3 cars in the U.K.
With low numbers and the love for the GR86 from the many quantity reviews, my take is to appreciate the ownership experience and I’m positive it will end up being a very ££cheap££ experience.
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Totally agree with all of this.
My car is going to be summer only use and will try my best to use it only in the dry too. This will open it up to an enthusiast market in 6 or so years. Hopefully quite a few have been trashed by then or turned into rot boxes by poor body repairs.
 
this poison said:
If it is genuine that they had until December 31st, that was as you say, to register them, not to sell them?

All they will have done is register any left over at the last minute to themselves and then sell them as ex demos?

I found it very dodgy that so many were made available as “demos" when the original allocation had already sold out so quickly!
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Dodgy is TOL’s middle name from my experience
 
GRMatt74 said:
Totally agree with all of this.
My car is going to be summer only use and will try my best to use it only in the dry too. This will open it up to an enthusiast market in 6 or so years. Hopefully quite a few have been trashed by then or turned into rot boxes by poor body repairs.
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Meanwhile, some of us will enjoy our cars as intended, and will get far more enjoyment using them all year around, whatever the weather, than by watching the value increase possibly…
 
Nick said:
Meanwhile, some of us will enjoy our cars as intended, and will get far more enjoyment using them all year around, whatever the weather, than by watching the value increase possibly…
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I’m in… Ours is a daily driver… Loving it so far 😬
 
Nick said:
Meanwhile, some of us will enjoy our cars as intended, and will get far more enjoyment using them all year around, whatever the weather, than by watching the value increase possibly…
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Believe me mine will get used. I have lots of plans driving euro roads. Just not in the winter.
I’ve owned too many Japanese cars to know what salt does to them. Happy to do all the miles in the summer with mine and lock away in the winter.
This is my preference so not expecting everyone to agree.
I did the same with my Elise and it paid dividends when I sold it on.
 
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Triggaaar said:
Have they not got better at all?
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I’m sure some advances in corrosion protection has got better but it’s still not great when salt is concerned. The Japanese like many other countries don’t use salt on their roads so this isn’t a concern for them. That’s why they cover the wheel arches with the black tar like stiff for the UKDM area.
I just prefer to take it out of the equation.
 
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johnybigarms said:
On the Toyota website you can only order a car from the dealers, so once the cars already in the U.K. are sold or registered, then the final numbers will be accurate by middle of 2024, my take is the 1024 cars from Sept 2023 won’t rise as much as you think in the last quarter as I think sales of all cars dropped of a cliff in those 3 months, higher interest charges will have made it very hard to justify a purchase for what is essentially an impractical but fun sports car.
I would be surprised if we end up with more than 1200 cars, but that’s super rare for a modern production car. 10 years from now we will have just half of that number in immaculate low mileage condition, 600 cars with say just 10 minters for sale st any point in time; the rest will be battered high milers, 50 cars will have been written off, still makes holding long term a very sensible proposition.
The Ford Focus RS are seen as a desirable and expensive hot hatches and there are over 11000 MK2 and MK3 cars in the U.K.
With low numbers and the love for the GR86 from the many quantity reviews, my take is to appreciate the ownership experience and I’m positive it will end up being a very ££cheap££ experience.
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Firstly there are better ways to make money off £30k than buy a car that you never use in the hope one day it might make something.

The other elephant in the room is with the push to electric (rightly or wrongly) petrol cars could be worthless in 10 years time or so restrictive on what you can and can’t drive that those that can afford it will go for something more exotic. Problem is we just don’t know and anyone thinking there’s money to be made should have a long hard think.

Then there’s the elephant in the room that Toyotas have not really been seen as desirable to collect compared to fords that you compare to.
 
Ecsrobin said:
Firstly there are better ways to make money off £30k than buy a car that you never use in the hope one day it might make something.

The other elephant in the room is with the push to electric (rightly or wrongly) petrol cars could be worthless in 10 years time or so restrictive on what you can and can’t drive that those that can afford it will go for something more exotic. Problem is we just don’t know and anyone thinking there’s money to be made should have a long hard think.

Then there’s the elephant in the room that Toyotas have not really been seen as desirable to collect compared to fords that you compare to.
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There is a massive amount of work going on in the background on efuels so don’t think ICE is going to just drop off a cliff. I certainly won’t be buying an EV like the rest of the sheep just yet. This tech has a long way to go yet. EV isn’t going to be the only horse in the race. It’s just the one they can push currently.
 
GRMatt74 said:
There is a massive amount of work going on in the background on efuels so don’t think ICE is going to just drop off a cliff. I certainly won’t be buying an EV like the rest of the sheep just yet. This tech has a long way to go yet. EV isn’t going to be the only horse in the race. It’s just the one they can push currently.
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But still creates uncertainty on future values.

My original point still stands though, there are better, quicker and safer ways to make money.
 
Ecsrobin said:
But still creates uncertainty on future values.

My original point still stands though, there are better, quicker and safer ways to make money.
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I’ve not bought the car to make money, I’ve bought it to enjoy during the summer and keep it in a condition that an enthusiast will pay top money for in the future. The underside is just as important as the bit you can see. Some like to see that and will pay the extra for it.
 
GRMatt74 said:
I’ve not bought the car to make money, I’ve bought it to enjoy during the summer and keep it in a condition that an enthusiast will pay top money for in the future. The underside is just as important as the bit you can see. Some like to see that and will pay the extra for it.
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And the value of keeping it in that condition only benefits the new buyer not the seller as the extra money spent keeping it in that condition is just returned in the higher resale. And then of course the potential to have a bigger loss if the car was written off.

I get we are all different but I’d say get out there and use it, it’s driving them that makes these cars great.
 
I always buy cars that I like to drive, have limited production if possible, and are loved by the media, then use it for dry weather fun, salted roads end my season, this protects your cars value more than anything else.
I know they are for driving and for many it will be their only car and as such is a daily, but I use my work van in winter, or my wife’s daily when she lets me.
It’s not an investment buying a car, but it’s the most fun in my mind to enjoy your wealth, bikes and cars are in my veins, petrol only, EVs are the lamest idea in the history of motoring, and the public know it, even governments intervention cannot get the masses to buy one, they have failed to grab traction and with all the bad press, the nail is in the coffin for EVs, second hand values are frightening people from owning one, with high depreciation and high interest rates the monthly PCP deals are really expensive, the cost to charge on the go is higher per mile than ICE cars, insurance is twice the price, and they will all be scrapped when the battery fails, which is a certain, you won’t see 20 years old EVs on the road.
So the EV future is not certain, if the market won’t buy it, the car companies will go bust, and to survive they will drag on with hybrids as a sticking plaster, until we find a better solution, but hybrids are still primarily petrol and that suits me.
 
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