GR86 Oil starvation

garybee said:
Unless you're dumb enough to have your car recovered to the dealership with a roll cage, tow points and event number sticker fitted I really don't see any cause for concern. I don't understand some people's obsession with finding ways to prove their warranty is void. Use it, enjoy it, if it breaks within warranty recover it to the dealership.
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How can Toyota prove it went on track though? GR86 has no way or recording telemetry as far as I know.

The GR86 also comes with a Track mode and button. How do they get around that?

The reply's you get from these Toyota emails are just basic gibberish to cover themselves and have no real legal standing.
 
Stardus. said:
Their wording is fine, being on track does not automatically void the warranty but only issues that occured specifically while being on track.
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All this is likely to result in is the same behaviour as an accident on track. Number plates removed whilst at the venue and if an issue rears its head the car will get towed out, round the corner, plates refitted and recovery agent called and asked to drag it back to the dealership.

Then it becomes a case of Toyota having to prove the failure happened on/as a result of use on a track.

Either way personally id rather avoid an engine failure in the first place irrespective of any potential warranty related squabble that may ensue.
 
AdamST205 said:
How can Toyota prove it went on track though? GR86 has no way or recording telemetry as far as I know.

The GR86 also comes with a Track mode and button. How do they get around that?

The reply's you get from these Toyota emails are just basic gibberish to cover themselves and have no real legal standing
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I’m not so sure on that? The GR86 does record data and has a recording log going (DCM box). I believe it’s 30 seconds of data. I’m not sure what it records exactly but there’s a section on Toyota T&C’s about having the data recorded in the car.

It’s becoming a standard thing now on most cars. I think it’s for the benefit of crashes/incidents and to use the data in any police reports if needed.
 
Jayware33 said:
I’m not so sure on that? The GR86 does record data and has a recording log going (DCM box). I believe it’s 30 seconds of data. I’m not sure what it records exactly but there’s a section on Toyota T&C’s about having the data recorded in the car.

It’s becoming a standard thing now on most cars. I think it’s for the benefit of crashes/incidents and to use the data in any police reports if needed.
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It come across you really dislike the idea of people driving one of the most suitable car on track?

The EDR datalogger where it triggers from a crash and linked to the e-call is proably there just like any modern cars

But will anyone to expect to start a warrenty claim if the car is already in bits?
 
Stardus. said:
It come across you really dislike the idea of people driving one of the most suitable car on track?

The EDR datalogger where it triggers from a crash and linked to the e-call is proably there just like any modern cars

But will anyone to expect to start a warrenty claim if the car is already in bits?
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I’m simply trying to make sure any info out there is as accurate as possible. I have no dislike to people driving these cars. I also own one.

Personally, I wouldn’t track mine for a number of reasons, but if people chose to then it’s important to be familiar with the T&C’s and the fact it’s a road car.
 
The risk of taking the GR86 on track is really not much more different than most other performance car around this price range, the MX5 have reports of gearbox issues and stock suspension is unusable on track, all the turbo 4 hot hatcheshave oil temp issues

Oil cooler and something like an accusump seems to be the effective, and overfill is generally recommended with good results

Kinda a shame that the GR86/BRZ Cup racing series haven't really trickled down their experience of running those engines in a racing situration, hopefully some GR86 race teams can tell us what really works or not
 
Stardus. said:
The risk of taking the GR86 on track is really not much more different than most other performance car around this price range, the MX5 have reports of gearbox issues and stock suspension is unusable on track, all the turbo 4 hot hatcheshave oil temp issues

Oil cooler and something like an accusump seems to be the effective, and overfill is generally recommended with good results

Kinda a shame that the GR86/BRZ Cup racing series haven't really trickled down their experience of running those engines in a racing situration, hopefully some GR86 race teams can tell us what really works or not
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Has anybody emailed one of the teams? They might be happy to explain what they did.
 
For all you Trackers. An interesting engine failure on the 'Gapped' GR86 Ring car. Engine failed on normal roads post-Nurburgring crash rebuild but they don't go into too much detail. Was the oil system compromised in the crash? They talk about issues with the oil being high/over temperature as the cause. Note, the discussion about the engine failure is towards the end of the video. As a bonus, you can register with Gapped to win this car (once the engine is rebuilt)!

 
I watched this last night and have to say after having largely coaxed myself into a position of no real concern about the reliability of the engine it’s definitely added some anxiety about it back into the ownership of the car.

Frustrating really given the car is tarnished with an engine that creates a reliability concern along with it sounding shit.
 
Given the car has been modified, tracked heavily, and crashed, I'm not too worried about this being a representative example of standard use causing an engine failure. I'm surprised that they haven't fitted an accusump considering everything else they've done to the car. They seem to be an obvious choice to mitigate the oil pressure risk without needing to do a load of work to the car.
 
My impression is that he doesn't care about the cars, whether is his one (promised to be given away) or any other random guy's. He has crashed, overheated a few cars already.
He drives fast and I admire his left foot braking but he either has now too much income (seems to be the case given recent announcements) too care about the vehicles or he is immature and an accident waiting to happen as the most dare he is on his driving the more views he will get
 
Grblue86 said:
My impression is that he doesn't care about the cars, whether is his one (promised to be given away) or any other random guy's. He has crashed, overheated a few cars already.
He drives fast and I admire his left foot braking but he either has now too much income (seems to be the case given recent announcements) too care about the vehicles or he is immature and an accident waiting to happen as the most dare he is on his driving the more views he will get
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Attended an Audi Manufacturer Day at Silverstone around 2010. The memory that sticks is of the self-proclaimed “track expert“ who proceeded to munch two RS4 clutches. He was an absolute tosser.

Too many drivers are just clumsy; tough on tyres, brakes, clutch, gearbox and engine.

Seen-through-glass a good example of a youtuber who‘s grown up with dual-clutch gearboxes.

Decent guy but his GR86 review a poor advert for driving competence.

Jackie Stewart’s philosophy: “smooth, gentle, clean ‘ahead of the car’” should be the goal.

Weekend of a Champion - 1972 Roman Polanski documentary - available on Amazon Prime - if you are short of things to watch over Christmas.

So much better than clickbait YouTubers.
 
RumbleandSway said:
Attended an Audi Manufacturer Day at Silverstone around 2010. The memory that sticks is of the self-proclaimed “track expert“ who proceeded to munch two RS4 clutches. He was an absolute tosser.

Too many drivers are just clumsy; tough on tyres, brakes, clutch, gearbox and engine.

Seen-through-glass a good example of a youtuber who‘s grown up with dual-clutch gearboxes.

Decent guy but his GR86 review a poor advert for driving competence.

Jackie Stewart’s philosophy: “smooth, gentle, clean ‘ahead of the car’” should be the goal.

Weekend of a Champion - 1972 Roman Polanski documentary - available on Amazon Prime - if you are short of things to watch over Christmas.

So much better than clickbait YouTubers.
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Will watch it, thanks for the rec.
With you on the STG bloke, despite his preference on having manual cars, he is another one that should be be investing on driver mods but I guess I'd be asking too much of him when he has confessed to prefer driving trips around the world and only doing reviews if he gets paid to.. At least he doesn't have racing driver dreams
 
Grblue86 said:
My impression is that he doesn't care about the cars, whether is his one (promised to be given away) or any other random guy's. He has crashed, overheated a few cars already.
He drives fast and I admire his left foot braking but he either has now too much income (seems to be the case given recent announcements) too care about the vehicles or he is immature and an accident waiting to happen as the most dare he is on his driving the more views he will get
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The guy is a Youtuber who takes people around the ring in their car. He has crashed more times than I can remember and it is never his fault. ;) He isn't very smooth with his driving either. He has blown up plenty of other peoples engines because he doesn't monitor temps etc.
 
KobayashiMaru86 said:
I don't like that guy. Something is off about him but I don't know what.
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I've met him in the car park at the 'ring (when I was there with a load of other Volvo Polestars) and although it was nice to chat, he seemed to be more interested in gathering content . That was when he was daily vlogging so might not be quite as rude now . . .
 
Not sure why the replies needed to be a character assassination of the bloke. This is supposed to be an oil starvation thread. Theres a good chance he might read this thread if he's looking to find a solution to the oil starvation issue. We should be thankfull that someone with the time and resources is testing the GR86 to its extremes and discovering issues before we potentially get crippled by them. Whether you plan to put high grip tyres on and track the car or not, this is useful development. Tis the season to be jolly so cheer up ;)
 
Cubone said:
Given the car has been modified, tracked heavily, and crashed, I'm not too worried about this being a representative example of standard use causing an engine failure. I'm surprised that they haven't fitted an accusump considering everything else they've done to the car. They seem to be an obvious choice to mitigate the oil pressure risk without needing to do a load of work to the car.
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They have an accusump in car
 
black_jack36 said:
Not sure why the replies needed to be a character assassination of the bloke. This is supposed to be an oil starvation thread. Theres a good chance he might read this thread if he's looking to find a solution to the oil starvation issue. We should be thankfull that someone with the time and resources is testing the GR86 to its extremes and discovering issues before we potentially get crippled by them. Whether you plan to put high grip tyres on and track the car or not, this is useful development. Tis the season to be jolly so cheer up ;)
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You don't need time and resources to know the weakness of a flat engine. Plenty of Porsche and Impreza owners have done all the data gathering for decades.

Once we get a larger capacity sump that fits in the standard confines of the engine then the issue will be completely resolved. That's all really what the accusump is doing as it will give you and extra litre or two of oil.
 
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