GR Yaris (Gen 2) Intelligent Speed Assist / ISA

Btw will car have direct link to factory for updates or via MyT? Have had that one disabled for almost a year now..
If the updates will work through MyT, then the problem of the update of ISA to permanent is already sorted out for good: it won't ever work, like MyT does.
I had the order of my Mk2 on MyT for a few days, and then it suddenly disappeared.
I checked with the dealer, and my order is still on and confirmed by Toyota Italy, but no way to put it back in MyT app, by now.
And this is just one out of the many problems I had with MyT app so far.

Jokes apart, I guess that any mandatory software update, like it could be the case of permanent ISA, will be directly done in the Toyota workshops along with periodic services. Otherwise it would be enough disconnecting the car from wifi and bluetooth to avoid that for good... 😬
 
My wife picked up a new gr sport 2 weeks ago 130hp with the new safety sense 3 or whatever. It seems to work better than my gr4 in most respects as in it doesn’t force you back in lane with lda unless cruise is set. Same with speed limit recognition it doesn’t automatically slow you down, it can if selected on and cruise is set same as VW etc. It does beep if speed is over the limit but gives up after a few secs. It does still misidentify signage though. It also occasionally beats me to the brakes if approaching another car quickly but only by half a second and I think sensitivity can be adjusted, it’s just currently there hasn’t been any reason to do so. I don’t find it obtrusive enough to prevent me buying one and I still drive cars that don’t have powered steering or brakes.
 
Btw will car have direct link to factory for updates or via MyT? Have had that one disabled for almost a year now..
Pretty sure this will work directly trough the DCM module built into the car. The MK1 already has this module for the e-call functionality and Toyota had to do a recall once because the over-the-air update of the module failed.
 
If the updates will work through MyT, then the problem of the update of ISA to permanent is already sorted out for good: it won't ever work, like MyT does.
I had the order of my Mk2 on MyT for a few days, and then it suddenly disappeared.
I checked with the dealer, and my order is still on and confirmed by Toyota Italy, but no way to put it back in MyT app, by now.
And this is just one out of the many problems I had with MyT app so far.

Jokes apart, I guess that any mandatory software update, like it could be the case of permanent ISA, will be directly done in the Toyota workshops along with periodic services. Otherwise it would be enough disconnecting the car from wifi and bluetooth to avoid that for good... 😬
Are you already using the new "MyToyota" app? MyT has been discontinued by Toyota. Not saying that this one will work any better for your order. Mine is still telling me that my service is 2 years overdue.
 
Are you already using the new "MyToyota" app? MyT has been discontinued by Toyota. Not saying that this one will work any better for your order. Mine is still telling me that my service is 2 years overdue.
I moved to the new MyToyota app in January, with the promise it would work much better than the old MyT one.
It started well, but then it failed on the only thing it had to do: keep my Mk2 order tracking.
Imagine my reaction the first time I opened it after paying my deposit, and it read: you have no order in your name... :oops: And it's still like that by now.
Among other things I really don't understand what is the right procedure to put an ordered car in the App.
Toyota has my full name, my phone number, my email address. I should be able to add the order number myself (as it happens for the VIN of a owned car) just after a few checks about my ID and phone number.
Why is it still a mysterious procedure where you have to ask to your dealer to make it on your behalf, and many times it still doesn't work even in this way?
 
ISA is supposed to also work of GPS data, not just road signs. If the implementation is that bad, it calls for change.

At least in my cars, and can myself change settings so that the car doesn't slow down itself for a speed change, and also change the sensitivity of emergency stop.

The idea behind isn't bad and had nothing to do with Greta. Trucks have been speed limited and enforced for ages, imagine them being able to do 160km/h downhill... It's similar for cars, lesser weight (but gap keeps closing...) but much bigger in number, and consequences are by the laws of physics so much worse with the many exponents of speed (as both compound risk and also consequences increases exponentially with speed) and people are very bad in doing proper risk assessments - 3700 people die every day in traffic. Globally but still quite some. For airplane crashes that number is 2. Not 2000, but two. For context, luckily heavily regulated.

But I also see issues, besides the technology not working good enough, do these systems increase other risk behavior like looking more at the phone... Or perhaps people do that anyway (yes they do in older cars for sure... ) and it's good with additional systems? Quite happy with city safety systems while my kids walk to school...

Lets hope the implementation becomes reasonable so it's actually a help that most people accept, and which actually safe drivers can ignore (when nobody else is around...). Like all tech it will probably improve, have to start somewhere?.
 
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ISA is supposed to also work of GPS data, not just road signs. If the implementation is that bad, it calls for change.

At least in my cars, and can myself change settings so that the car doesn't slow down itself for a speed change, and also change the sensitivity of emergency stop.

The idea behind isn't bad and had nothing to do with Greta. Trucks have been speed limited and enforced for ages, imagine them being able to do 160km/h downhill... It's similar for cars, lesser weight (but gap keeps closing...) but much bigger in number, and consequences are by the laws of physics so much worse with the many exponents of speed (as both compound risk and also consequences increases exponentially with speed) and people are very bad in doing proper risk assessments - 3700 people die every day in traffic. Globally but still quite some. For airplane crashes that number is 2. Not 2000, but two. For context, luckily heavily regulated.

But I also see issues, besides the technology not working good enough, do these systems increase other risk behavior like looking more at the phone... Or perhaps people do that anyway (yes they do in older cars for sure... ) and it's good with additional systems? Quite happy with city safety systems while my kids walk to school...

Lets hope the implementation becomes reasonable so it's actually a help that most people accept, and which actually safe drivers can ignore (when nobody else is around...). Like all tech it will probably improve, have to start somewhere?.
I agree with many of your points, but maybe I should elaborate a bit more by my part.
I worked for years in the data analysis and machine learning fields, and, of course, in the AI sector.
By direct experience I know how faulty computer science is by nature (it introduced the "turn off/on" as a very bad universal way to fix things) and the current mainstream in AI (deep learning) is even more faulty and unfixable (see the miserable end of autonomous driving hype).
ADAS are the most simple declination of autonomous driving, and they work with the same technology (mostly), trying to understand what happens outside a car, just by reading 2-D images and pixels, along with some simple data about distances measured by radars.
Faults and misinterpretations are always ready to emerge in daily drive, where unforeseen scenarios are very frequent (not to mention ever-changing weather and light/dark conditions), and the data on which ADAS have been trained prove to be inevitably missing important parts of the universe of possibilities a driver is forced to manage in the daily driving.
In a word, the totally lack the generalisation our brain continuously applies in our living, and they are able to do well only about the exact things they were trained on, and in near-ideal circumstances only.
They can't and won't work well until it's radically changed the way they are trained, and there is still a long time to get there, if we will ever get there one day.
But in the meanwhile, people should stop thinking that computer science is better than us in managing a car, and they should trust these systems as what they actually are: a very mistake-prone helping tool, to be used the less the possible.
Of course ADAS are probably a necessary emergency solution now, in a world where driving a car is considered like an annoying break between phone-browsing sessions.
But maybe instead of accepting as an inevitable "given" the fact that people will be distracted by every thing while driving, we could make some more steps towards a technology that limits the use of the phone to its very necessary minimum functionality, while being into a moving car.
But something tells me that, for many "profitable" and well hidden reasons, it won't ever happen.

So, this is my personal rant against the world of today, I hope you will forgive me someday...
 
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But maybe instead of accepting as an inevitable "given" the fact that people will be distracted by every thing while driving, we could make some more steps towards a technology that limits the use of the phone to its very necessary minimum functionality, while being into a moving car.

That would be great.

And, like pilots, recurring demands for passing health and driver ability tests.

And real life traffic police that police on total behaviour, not just speed cameras.

Still radar based emergency stop I see as a welcome addition, to human operators that err very much too: distracted, confused, stroke, heart attack, psychosis, substance abusing, violent,etc - cannot just drive full speed accelerating in stationary objects/persons.... If it limits my personal driving a little so be it, I've seen too much crazy stuff already.
 
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On the Japanese TGR website I see that now there is a page about ADAS in the Mk2 model (Toyota Safety Sense).
https://toyotagazooracing.com/jp/gr/yaris/design_equipment/safety/
Did I read correctly that the car with auto-gear automatically brakes to avoid hitting obstacles during parking, or when the sensors perceive a vehicle coming from behind? (on the manual-gear car, braking should be replaced by a sound alert)
I hope the ADAS sensors work very well, otherwise I'm expecting the auto Mk2 braking unexpectedly very often.
Quite a scary thing, potentially.
 
Does anyone actually know what it'll be like in the new GR Yaris. It's part of Toyota Safety Sense 3.0 so I'm guessing other vehicles in the Toyota range will already have it?

It might even be a feature that can be disable permanently , our 2021 RAV4 has lane assist and unlike the current GR Yaris it remains off between engine restarts and you have to manually turn it back on. The ISA system may well be like that on the new GRY. The technology is being phased in so I very much doubt it'll have haptic feedback it's probably some kind of visual/audio warning.
My wife’s 2018 vRS has lane guidance that is turned off permanently, it’s an awful system when on. I automatically turn off lane assist and turn IMT on in the GR, before I start driving. Plus Waze on for every trip for speed tax van alerts!
 
having a brand new Corolla from service rep today - car drives very smoothly and is relaxing to drive.
It has the ISA functionality - in real life it is not very bad - three soft blings when exceeding the limit - didn't see Greta in rear view mirror (at least not for now..)
 
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Which is all well and good but nothing the government has done or is doing is diverging us from regulatory alignment with the EU. Brexit means Brexit if Brexit means regulatory alignment with the EU to ensure trade continues. We're now a rule taker instead of a rule maker leading the charge in the European Parliament.

I could also talk about how migration is now higher than it was pre-Brexit, and less of it is coming from culturally aligned nations.

I was a remainer, but accepted the result. It's a shame we've not maximised the opportunity and instead we have EU-lite, minus the niceties of us Brits being able to live and work anywhere in the EU.
We didn’t make the rules when we were members of the EU, the bureaucrats behind the scenes made the rules and a vote took place to resemble a democratic process on the subject matter. My Brexit was to buy zero products or services, where possible, from any EU country, hence why I’m now in a Japanese car!!
If we follow the EUs lead I won’t be buying any new car again, which of course is exactly what they want………
 
The SWO module enables easy access to the audible speed warning on various Toyota models. Just press the "CANCEL" button on the steering wheel for 2 seconds and the annoying beeping is gone. The warning system is reactivated every time the vehicle is restarted, which means that the SWO module can be used legally on the road.
 
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The SWO module enables easy access to the audible speed warning on various Toyota models. Just press the "CANCEL" button on the steering wheel for 2 seconds and the annoying beeping is gone. The warning system is reactivated every time the vehicle is restarted, which means that the SWO module can be used legally on the road.
I reckon I could turn it off in about 2 seconds the normal way.
 
Yes, you're right, but I didn't always want to go into the menu to switch it off and I'm glad that someone has developed such a module. I'll get it installed in two weeks.
 
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I agree with many of your points, but maybe I should elaborate a bit more by my part.
I worked for years in the data analysis and machine learning fields, and, of course, in the AI sector.
By direct experience I know how faulty computer science is by nature (it introduced the "turn off/on" as a very bad universal way to fix things) and the current mainstream in AI (deep learning) is even more faulty and unfixable (see the miserable end of autonomous driving hype).
ADAS are the most simple declination of autonomous driving, and they work with the same technology (mostly), trying to understand what happens outside a car, just by reading 2-D images and pixels, along with some simple data about distances measured by radars.
Faults and misinterpretations are always ready to emerge in daily drive, where unforeseen scenarios are very frequent (not to mention ever-changing weather and light/dark conditions), and the data on which ADAS have been trained prove to be inevitably missing important parts of the universe of possibilities a driver is forced to manage in the daily driving.
In a word, the totally lack the generalisation our brain continuously applies in our living, and they are able to do well only about the exact things they were trained on, and in near-ideal circumstances only.
They can't and won't work well until it's radically changed the way they are trained, and there is still a long time to get there, if we will ever get there one day.
But in the meanwhile, people should stop thinking that computer science is better than us in managing a car, and they should trust these systems as what they actually are: a very mistake-prone helping tool, to be used the less the possible.
Of course ADAS are probably a necessary emergency solution now, in a world where driving a car is considered like an annoying break between phone-browsing sessions.
But maybe instead of accepting as an inevitable "given" the fact that people will be distracted by every thing while driving, we could make some more steps towards a technology that limits the use of the phone to its very necessary minimum functionality, while being into a moving car.
But something tells me that, for many "profitable" and well hidden reasons, it won't ever happen.

So, this is my personal rant against the world of today, I hope you will forgive me someday...
totally agree markku!!
 
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The SWO module enables easy access to the audible speed warning on various Toyota models. Just press the "CANCEL" button on the steering wheel for 2 seconds and the annoying beeping is gone. The warning system is reactivated every time the vehicle is restarted, which means that the SWO module can be used legally on the road.
I don't care if it's legal. I'm still hoping for a version that deactivates the crap without pressing it. For the Corolla.
So it's just a detour... you have to press somewhere again every time you start.
 
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So this afternoon I went to the company Helftec in Hildisrieden Switzerland who installed the SWO module for me. This is officially only sold to Toyota dealers for installation.


It works so far Top start car drive off and notice ups it jingles at 1km/h too much, just press cancel right on the steering wheel for 2 seconds and it is switched off you can see it because of the 0 in the speed table. At 1 it is switched on again by holding the Cancel button again.
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Thanks for the update! Can you clarify further on how it works please?

I understood that if you hold down the cancel button for 2 seconds, it with turn RSA off and display a speed sign with 0. If you hold down the Cancel button again for 2 seconds, it will turn RSA back on, and display a speed sign with 1.

How long does the 0 or 1 display for?

What happens when is turned off, does it still display speed signs read by the camera, but with no sound only? Do the speed signs still flash if you pass the speed limit? I’d quite like it to show the speed sign, but without any flashing or noise.