GR86 GR86 - My review after 3k miles and why I'm selling it.

Today, I bought my BMW m240i - I had a test drive for 3 hours yesterday in a Supra...
I test drove the BMW for about an hour and it was enough to make my mind up. The only real fault with the BMW is that it rides hide and there's some body roll but I think putting it on lowering springs and it will fix it.

I've gone for "Thundernight metallic"

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BMW wins it for me, Supra is nice but too small really. However, I think I'll run the BMW till the Warranty expires and then trade it in for an older Supra. One of the major draws to me with the Supra is the 10 year warranty... so I don't mind buying a 3 year old one. Whereas my BMW I've just bought is 2 months old with 1k miles on it.


In fairness to the GR86... I am comparing a £31k car vs this @ £50k.


I've read all the comments here. Maybe I'll regret my GR86 sell. I don't think I will. I feel it's a good car, that could be one of the greats if you're prepared to drop some money on it. 260-300 horsepower and the GR would be perfect drivers car. I will miss the manual gear box, kinda, but not really because it isn't a great manual box.

As for some comments here... I've got over 50 laps on the Nurburgring and I'm a local to Cadwell where I attend basically every single car track day. I've had advanced driving lessons and I was also blue light response trained in a manual... I'm not saying I'm the stig. I'm not. But I am an advanced driver whom has spent many many hours on learning to drive properly in a variety of different situations.

To me (important, to me) this GR86 is underpowered, which to me is the biggest flaw. Other than that I find it quite an unrefined car, sure that has it's perks for fun. But, road noise, particularly tyre noise is poor. After driving the Supra and m240i you really notice these things...
I think ultimately, I want some luxury in my car. The GR86 isn't that. It's a bare bones sports car, no annoying tech (bonus) and simple. But, that can also be a flaw. I think there's a good middle ground to be had and personally that's exactly what I think when I drove the m240i.

Is it perfect? No... I wish it handled and steering feel more like the GR86, but on everything else it's better... and that's not even subjective. Objectively everywhere else this car is better. Subjectively, looks of the 86 are better... but then again you get the compromises of it being a tiny sportscar.
Who knows? In fairness if Toyota make a special edition GR86 and fancy popping a turbo charger on, or up the horsepower. I'll be back in the queue for one. Because ultimately, for all its flaws I could live with it if it had an extra 50-100 HP.

Cheers,


And someone put a really nice comment earlier and to you I say thank you. You said "Hey we might disagree but at least we can be civil". Yeah, I agree and that is reallly nice. I think I will miss the community feel here the most.

Further, it's not lost on me that I'm effectively bad mouthing one of your children here... so thanks for your patience (this note is to everyone) :p

<3

James
Solid choice, I wish you many happy miles.
 
Good point @cuddles .

I was very confident indeed that I'd love the GR86 as I was a very satisfied owner of a GT86 before, and I doubted it would be inferior to that!

I was surprised (my own subjective view of course) how much better the GR was than the GT.

Those coming from say an MX5 probably knew what they were getting too.

Funny you say that. I wanted a slightly faster, sharper mx5.
 
My fastest cars before my GRY were XR3i, XR2 and 2 Celicas asside a few SUVs so for me I knew for certain that the GRY would be an unbelievable performance car and couldn't be a let down. I just needed to see if the car could be lived with but again after the cars I have mentioned the GRY was going to be fine - 2 doors, 2 seats and a big hatchback space as the back seat was put down on day 2 and never up again. I was relieved that it wasn't as low as the Celica TS and I like the high seating position that others hate. As a former engineer / toolmaker I am more interested in quality of build and reliability than soft touch this and that. Solidly made, reliability and 10 Yr warranty mean everything to me before fancyness. It just shows that a car can't be everything to everyone and we need to check them out very carefully before we order it - or we can end up being let down.
Some of the high performance cars that others have owned I can see that there is a chance of some disappointment and could then be seen as a step down into the GR86 and GRY. Maybe the car wasn't designed and produced for them but more for people like me who dreams of stepping UP to a GRY or GR86.
 
At least for the GRY there are plenty examples of people adding them to a supercar garage or even replacing seemingly much more (or too?) capable machinery, with owners of all ages and experiences.

With the GR86 I don't know, maybe do a poll? At least ECOTY 2nd place suggests it could appeal to a public that could afford any toy in the shop...
 
Okay...

so my saga continues.

Decided to go for the Supra after all. BMW just too boring and safe, I want a rear wheel drive car. So just placed a deposit on for a Supra 3.0 Pro... I'm going to collect it this weekend. And I've just cancelled the BMW (lost a £300 deposit, but in the scheme of things... MEH)

haha - at least I can never be accused of being boring, complete idiot, but not boring. haha

- PS, also I'm not leaving you my Toyota brothers - which is fun as I enjoy this community! Shame the Supra section is a bit dead but whatever.
(despite the car basically being a BMW lololol)
 
Okay...

so my saga continues.

Decided to go for the Supra after all. BMW just too boring and safe, I want a rear wheel drive car. So just placed a deposit on for a Supra 3.0 Pro... I'm going to collect it this weekend. And I've just cancelled the BMW (lost a £300 deposit, but in the scheme of things... MEH)

haha - at least I can never be accused of being boring, complete idiot, but not boring. haha

- PS, also I'm not leaving you my Toyota brothers - which is fun as I enjoy this community! Shame the Supra section is a bit dead but whatever.
(despite the car basically being a BMW lololol)
A positive outcome I'm sure!

I can't see why you wouldn't want a nearly-two-ton aubergine though... ;)
 
Okay...

so my saga continues.

Decided to go for the Supra after all. BMW just too boring and safe, I want a rear wheel drive car. So just placed a deposit on for a Supra 3.0 Pro... I'm going to collect it this weekend. And I've just cancelled the BMW (lost a £300 deposit, but in the scheme of things... MEH)

haha - at least I can never be accused of being boring, complete idiot, but not boring. haha

- PS, also I'm not leaving you my Toyota brothers - which is fun as I enjoy this community! Shame the Supra section is a bit dead but whatever.
(despite the car basically being a BMW lololol)
Totally mad, but looking forward to seeing your Supra!
 
Okay...

so my saga continues.

Decided to go for the Supra after all. BMW just too boring and safe, I want a rear wheel drive car. So just placed a deposit on for a Supra 3.0 Pro... I'm going to collect it this weekend. And I've just cancelled the BMW (lost a £300 deposit, but in the scheme of things... MEH)

haha - at least I can never be accused of being boring, complete idiot, but not boring. haha

- PS, also I'm not leaving you my Toyota brothers - which is fun as I enjoy this community! Shame the Supra section is a bit dead but whatever.
(despite the car basically being a BMW lololol)


Great news James.

Looking forward to seeing photographs when convenient.

Hoping the car satisfies all your expectations!
 
i have an M2 competition and have done some trackdays with it. But after i did some trackdays with the gr86 my M2 is sitting in the garage.

My BMW M2 feels like a cruise ship on track. it eats brakes and tires Compared to the gr86

i have done 1200km on track with one set of brake pads and tires with the GR86. The GR86 is a dream driving thru corners no way a car with 1600kg or more gives you more fun on track.

new 240i or the new m2 with 1700kg to carry around is nice for fast daily trips. But stay away from trackdays. These cars are much to heavy.

the reading on bimmerpost is just so nice. All those oeeeeeh and aaaah apple fanboys buy into everything bmw brings. If the new M2 weighs 2000 kg and has 600hp they like it even more.

I will not buy a new M2 no way 1700kg gives me fun. That car has more weight then my wifes BMW X1 lol
I would love to have a GT4RS but can t order one anymore and secondhand they ask idiot prices.

i like to have cars that gives fun on road and track. If i wanted a heavy M just give me x3M family car. I dont see anything positive in a 1700kg entry level M car. Also a M240 i see no point in owning such a car. Get a X3M with a transporter behind it where my GR86 standing on on my way to the track.
 
In 30 years the smallest M car has gone from under 1100kg to over 1700kg.

Reading that makes you realise what an achievement Toyota and Subaru made with the 86 and BRZ.

However there's no doubt that BMW will sell bucketloads of these car because badges and performance numbers sell.
 
Going slightly off topic, but just for the record, in the past manufacturer weight figures weren't to be trusted, they put the lightest weight ever for a model without any equipment at all.

In reality, on scales, the 238hp E30 M3 evo2 was actually around 1280kg (kerb, no driver but fuelled). Yep, the GR86 is more or less straight up a modern E30 M3 in top spec!

New cars on the other hand have realistic* weights AND a 75kg driver included (EU weight). On scales, a M2 comp manual weighs ~1580kg kerb, which is kinda reasonable for being a straight six and with 72% more horsepower and being a bigger car (wider and higher than a E34 M5). The latest greatest M2 is indeed 1700kg for the manual, which is 50kg+ overweight and which an overpriced CS(L) version could fix.... But at least you don't have to add another 100kg as was the case for BMW not long ago to account for equipement than most people specced, so some of the on paper lighter M cars of the past were actually not so light...

So, just to say the idea that modern cars are leaden is only partly true, normalized for power and physical size** they are usually similar (with much better crash safety) or lighter.

* one exception is Ferrari that still gives totally unrealistic dry weights - irl 150-200kg heavier... As if you're not to drive the car and just display it on a thin wooden floor...
** there are no truly small cars left though... Pick up a c1/108/mx-5 etc while you can ;)
 
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i have an M2 competition and have done some trackdays with it. But after i did some trackdays with the gr86 my M2 is sitting in the garage.

My BMW M2 feels like a cruise ship on track. it eats brakes and tires Compared to the gr86

i have done 1200km on track with one set of brake pads and tires with the GR86. The GR86 is a dream driving thru corners no way a car with 1600kg or more gives you more fun on track.

new 240i or the new m2 with 1700kg to carry around is nice for fast daily trips. But stay away from trackdays. These cars are much to heavy.

the reading on bimmerpost is just so nice. All those oeeeeeh and aaaah apple fanboys buy into everything bmw brings. If the new M2 weighs 2000 kg and has 600hp they like it even more.

I will not buy a new M2 no way 1700kg gives me fun. That car has more weight then my wifes BMW X1 lol
I would love to have a GT4RS but can t order one anymore and secondhand they ask idiot prices.

i like to have cars that gives fun on road and track. If i wanted a heavy M just give me x3M family car. I dont see anything positive in a 1700kg entry level M car. Also a M240 i see no point in owning such a car. Get a X3M with a transporter behind it where my GR86 standing on on my way to the track.
This. Started watching one review of the new M2. The second they mentioned it was 1700kg I stopped watching. Absolutely pointless
 
Okay...

so my saga continues.

Decided to go for the Supra after all. BMW just too boring and safe, I want a rear wheel drive car. So just placed a deposit on for a Supra 3.0 Pro... I'm going to collect it this weekend. And I've just cancelled the BMW (lost a £300 deposit, but in the scheme of things... MEH)

haha - at least I can never be accused of being boring, complete idiot, but not boring. haha

- PS, also I'm not leaving you my Toyota brothers - which is fun as I enjoy this community! Shame the Supra section is a bit dead but whatever.
(despite the car basically being a BMW lololol)

Buying a Supra, completely made by BMW, because you don't like BMW? :unsure:
 
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