GR Yaris (Gen 2) GR Yaris Mk2 (MY2024->)

I don't drive into a corner faster than Ican see around it, and in the GRY, this means going in way under what the car is capable of, which leaves all the fun in hammering it coming off the corner (y)
Agree RE fun.

But in the context of downshifting (or not) when you want it too or doing so quickly enough, those issues push what ⁶/₁₀ is back some. If the system downshifts slowly, your ⁶/₁₀ downshifting point is now however many meters earlier on the way into the corner. If you maintain too high of a gear the lack of adjustability, the need possibly to ask more of your brakes than otherwise, etc can reduce the available margin.

Going through a corner on a motorcycle in neutral-- it happens when you catch a false neutral downshifting and you've not left enough time to try that shift again before you're leaned in. Granted, you try to leave enough time, but sometimes mistakes happen (that's part of why we aim for ⁶/₁₀) or circumstances change suddenly. Now you're leaned over and trying that shift again mid-corner isn't a good idea, so you're going through in neutral.

My formative motorcycling miles were on old air-cooled Beamers and so false neutrals happened some times. I've not had it happen in a long time now, but I still occasionally misread a corner and go in a gear higher than I'd like. I've never had an accident that way, though, because I'm also leaving enough margin on the brakes and the entry speed and everything else.

But it still feels terrible. And it still means I'm leaning further into those other margins.

It's not as significant in a car-- it's not going to fall over, you weren't going to be adjusting it's position within the lane as much, you've got more contact patches, and the greater weight means a mid-corner shift is going to change the balance less and is less likely to break traction. But it's still there.

I've no idea how good or bad the AT for the new GRY is. It's not what's keeping me from buying one. And honestly, a crap automatic can still be a ton of fun. I loved both of my Smart Roadster Coupes, and they had that terrible robo-shifted manual*. I learned to drive around it and adapted, and the cars were a blast! They are sooooo much fun!

But driving around the transmission meant doing things earlier or giving up some margin.

*For those unaware, it was a conventional manual transmission but with a computer controlled clutch and gear selector. It defaulted to manual, and in that mode the shift lever (or paddles**) just hit a switch that said "If the rpm range is safe for the next higher (or lower) gear, disengage the clutch, select the next higher (or lower) gear, and then reengage the clutch". In auto mode, the computer decided when to initiate that sequence instead of waiting for the switch to be actuated. It was slow to shift and did no rev-matching.

**The paddles, while highly sought after by those shopping Smart Roadsters, made it all worse. Pulling a paddle is an immediate feeling action and it feels like the shift should be immediate, and it wasn't. Whacking the shift lever, on the other hand, felt like a slower process and so the shift felt less disappointing. Also, you always knew where the shift lever was.
 
Today, at the Rally in Tuscany valid for the Italian Rally Championship, where the GRY Rally2 finished 2nd overall at its debut in Italy :cool: Toyota finally revealed the starting prices for the GRY Mk2 in Italy.
500 cars will be allocated to Italy, with suggested prices quite higher than expected: 52k for the Manual, and 55k Euros for the Auto.
More details about specs, optionals and order book should come by the beginning of next week.
Special Editions come at a 75k Euros price (no details about the allocation for them, by now).
 
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Chatting today about the new model and apparently UK spec will be one model, only options being colour and gearbox.

So if that's true, they'll have tech pack and forged alloys as standard with a price reflecting the higher specification.
 
Chatting today about the new model and apparently UK spec will be one model, only options being colour and gearbox.

So if that's true, they'll have tech pack and forged alloys as standard with a price reflecting the higher specification.
They are no longer concerned for selling enough of them as was the case at first in 2020...
 
They are no longer concerned for selling enough of them as was the case at first in 2020...
Sure thing! But in my opinion they are pushing prices a bit too higher.
It's always a fine art choosing the right balance between unit profit and the number of cars sold to get the maximum possible total margin, and here in Italy I'm afraid they pushed away too many potential buyers with these suggested prices.
We are talking about a 20% increase... :oops:
 
also talk that the roof will no longer be carbon, which was news to me and I'll be surprised if that's the case.
 
Sure thing! But in my opinion they are pushing prices a bit too higher.
It's always a fine art choosing the right balance between unit profit and the number of cars sold to get the maximum possible turnover, and here in Italy I'm afraid they pushed away too many potential buyers with these suggested prices.
We are talking about a 20% increase... :oops:
If it's 'full option' maybe relatively ok compared to other countries. My comment was meant that they don't seem to be concerned anymore about offering cheaper base/entry spec cars.
 
If it's 'full option' maybe relatively ok compared to other countries. My comment was meant that they don't seem to be concerned anymore about offering cheaper base/entry spec cars.
Yes, I agree with you.
As far as I understood, in Italy the prices I mentioned are "start" prices, and optionals like forged wheels and tech pack are still to be added and paid for.
It would mean that it'd be easy to go very close to 60k to get a full optional car :eek:
I'll let you know once I see a full list price.
 
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Seems like the UK will be one of the last countries to find out the price. After all, we are the second biggest market for sales so I'd think some carefull consideration is happening. All totally dependent on the numbers that will be allocated here.

Come on Toyota, price it under £40k and you'll easily sell 5k+ here in the UK.

That's my limit anyway (well what the missus has agreed to).
 
I think the problem is emissions and toyota can't sell that many, like Honda with the civic type-r, with low volume comes higher prices unfortunately.
I'm not entirely sure on this but it's just what I have read.
 
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The German prices are 47,490 euros for the manual transmission and 49,900 euros for the automatic. BBS forged rims cost €3,990 extra, plus colors etc.
 
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The German prices are 47,490 euros for the manual transmission and 49,900 euros for the automatic. BBS forged rims cost €3,990 extra, plus colors etc.
Then the rims cost even more than expected... my calculation is no longer correct either. Then that's €20,500 more than I paid for the MK1. Wow, I'm really happy :).


Can it really only be ordered online now?
 
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