GR Yaris (Gen 2) GR Yaris Mk2 (MY2024->)

Sturesmyg said:
I mean. I guess I feel a bit betrayed. I’ve been going around proud telling people the story of the GR Yaris, and now anyone and everyone will be able to buy one and a newer one at that. What separates us from the other hot hatches or Porsche dudes now? When is the Mk3 with 310bhp due? Q3 2026?
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I don’t really get your point. Why do you think ‘anyone and everyone’ will suddenly be able to buy one? We don’t know exact numbers but they’re not suddenly going to be building hundreds of these a day! The original car is the one with the story, not the ‘face-lifted’ and improved cars. It’s hardly a ‘Mark 2’ is it?!
I also don’t buy in to the sudden fall in residuals. If supply is confirmed as limited and the price is much higher, it will have the opposite effect entirely on the best, late, low mileage cars.
 
While I get the point of many "I feel disappointed" let's be hones that car companies are just that: companies for profit like everyone else. I personally love Toyota since my first MR2 in early 2000s and super happy to see that while all Germans sell overpriced boxes moving you from A to B with 0-60 and quarter mile stats as main focus but not the actual driver, Honda and Toyota are coming back (ok Honda never left the CTR tbh).

I personally bought the car to enjoy racetrack and drift events as an amateur hobbyist (in which case resale value and depreciation go out of the window). Does the new one offer a better package ? Apart from the auto transmission which certainly makes a difference on lap times, most of the other issues addressed (visibility, seat position, cooling) either do not affect me or I have addressed them on mine (for a fraction of the cost between selling mine and paying premium for a new one). At the same time I have enjoyed the car already over 3 years and more than 20 events and plan to do for as long as I can. I would be interested to see if they address topics like oil starvation which can be an issue for my use but all in all, I doubt the new GRY offers any significant thrills or driving experience vs Mk1 to justify selling/waiting 1-2 years to get the new one and paying a premium. If I'd go down that road I'd probably consider a Cayman GT4 which I see as the next step (while doubling my total cost of ownership but not so sure it doubles the enjoyment ).

If anyone bought on the Internet and influencer hype about limited edition WRC bad for him but I still believe the majority of the actual buyers are proper pertrolheads who want to enjoy and Mk1 or Mk2 will offer the same experience no matter what.
 
bencollins4 said:
I don’t really get your point. Why do you think ‘anyone and everyone’ will suddenly be able to buy one? We don’t know exact numbers but they’re not suddenly going to be building hundreds of these a day! The original car is the one with the story, not the ‘face-lifted’ and improved cars. It’s hardly a ‘Mark 2’ is it?!
I also don’t buy in to the sudden fall in residuals. If supply is confirmed as limited and the price is much higher, it will have the opposite effect entirely on the best, late, low mileage cars.
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Let’s be honest, majority of buyers will be from those who already own and want to get the very best it can be, with warranty etc, but to buy a new one will entail selling their existing one, that’s my point, if 300 cars arrive in the initial batch I would hazard a guess 200 of those will be GRY enthusiasts, and that’s 200 cars for sale, plus a few who were about to buy the MK1 will cancel their order and those cars will hit the market, if 131 cars for sale become 331 cars for sale your all chasing the same buyers and that has an effect, I’m talking £3k off a £30k car, 10% is not a lot but it’s an effect, enough for me to sway away from a £38k Mk2 if I can save over £10k.
There is already low mileage 22 plate cars for £30 to £31k, I feel they will be £27 to £28k by June, I’m clear I’m looking with intent to buy, and the market is struggling in general with higher finance costs.
 
johnybigarms said:
Let’s be honest, majority of buyers will be from those who already own and want to get the very best it can be, with warranty etc, but to buy a new one will entail selling their existing one, that’s my point, if 300 cars arrive in the initial batch I would hazard a guess 200 of those will be GRY enthusiasts, and that’s 200 cars for sale, plus a few who were about to buy the MK1 will cancel their order and those cars will hit the market, if 131 cars for sale become 331 cars for sale your all chasing the same buyers and that has an effect, I’m talking £3k off a £30k car, 10% is not a lot but it’s an effect, enough for me to sway away from a £38k Mk2 if I can save over £10k.
There is already low mileage 22 plate cars for £30 to £31k, I feel they will be £27 to £28k by June, I’m clear I’m looking with intent to buy, and the market is struggling in general with higher finance costs.
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I can see what you’re saying but there are a lot of assumptions in that. And 200 cars don’t suddenly enter the market together. Another thing is that the original cars are all but delivered in the UK, so there aren’t any hardly any left to be cancelled now. You’re also assuming a price of £38k, which may be about right, but might not. Why would they give them away given the likely demand? A £40k list price could make a late original car look great value at £30k, moving prices the other way.

No one knows for sure and it’s all guesswork in the current times we’re living in!
 
bencollins4 said:
I don’t really get your point. Why do you think ‘anyone and everyone’ will suddenly be able to buy one? We don’t know exact numbers but they’re not suddenly going to be building hundreds of these a day! The original car is the one with the story, not the ‘face-lifted’ and improved cars. It’s hardly a ‘Mark 2’ is it?!
I also don’t buy in to the sudden fall in residuals. If supply is confirmed as limited and the price is much higher, it will have the opposite effect entirely on the best, late, low mileage cars.
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That’s fine. Different opinions etc.

I don’t care that much in the value things. I just thought I bought a numbered car. Like buying a 1/150 print painting or a 1/15000 watch for the maker to suddenly release more. The cars will be different so maybe not the best comparison, but you catch my drift.
 
I ordered the original car when it was launched because I liked the story and nobody else was making anything similar. It was a bonus it was 'cheap' for what it was and it had 0% finance and it wasn't bought for investment purposes.

I was invited along with a few others to a UK customer focus group last Feb where they did say the car was still being developed, but we all assumed that was probably the automatic variant and further development of the hydrogen engine.

Fast forward to Friday, the new car is launched albeit we don't know the specifications or prices for individual markets but for me it was enough for me to want the new one. To me the Mk1 looks better, but the Mk2 exterior and interior are more focused and hark back to cars from twenty years ago with intercoolers and radiators on show. I'm sure the dash is better in the flesh than in photos, but feels more race car than road car to me, with it's own unique section grafted on.

It doesn't bother me whether people own a Mk1 or Mk2, they are both special and rare - I just like the way Toyota have listened to customers and made improvements.

No idea what will happen to Mk1 prices, but if they drop I think that's more to do with the general market health, age, mileage, condition than the arrival of the Mk2 because I don't see Toyota importing another 5000 cars. I hope prices remain stable for current owners, but at the end of the day it's supply and demand.

What the Mk2 price is, the final spec and whether I get the opportunity to buy one is out of my hands - but if I do get the chance, as long as the price isn't ridiculous then I'm in, yes please, take my money and let's get some GR Zoo stickers on it.
 
Any insider info what's the wheel size? It is claimed to have 8.5J wheels but in press photos the wheels were 8J so I'm confused.
 
just remembered yesterday again why GR Yaris is the best sports car in the world. It can tackle those small roads where every other sports car struggles. with no traffic, there's just you and that great machine enjoying the nice scenary and twisty road. Not even GT4 or GT3 can do that. Sure, on race track its different story, but that's another playground. For adventurous recce drives there's no other toy.
 
Sturesmyg said:
That’s fine. Different opinions etc.

I don’t care that much in the value things. I just thought I bought a numbered car. Like buying a 1/150 print painting or a 1/15000 watch for the maker to suddenly release more. The cars will be different so maybe not the best comparison, but you catch my drift.
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That’s fair enough. I don’t think anyone in the UK ever thought it was a numbered car but that might be very different in Norway. Surely the number going to you will be very limited?

I look forward to the pricing and further details but I’m unlikely to be tempted.
 
Michael Knight said:
just remembered yesterday again why GR Yaris is the best sports car in the world. It can tackle those small roads where every other sports car struggles. with no traffic, there's just you and that great machine enjoying the nice scenary and twisty road. Not even GT4 or GT3 can do that. Sure, on race track its different story, but that's another playground. For adventurous recce drives there's no other toy.
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There is nothing to add to this. Full agreement.:cool:
 
gr-fun said:
This is from the release on Friday.

BBS 8.5J forged aluminum wheels

toyotagazooracing.com

GR YARIS | GR | GAZOO Racing

GR YARIS 2024 SPRING DEBUT.
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check the press photos
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and here it says 8J wheels
toyotagazooracing.com

Evolved GR Yaris Makes World Premiere | PRESS RELEASE | GAZOO Racing

TOYOTA GAZOO Racing (TGR) held the world premiere today of its evolved GR Yaris at Tokyo Auto Salon 2024. Sales in Japan of the new GR Yaris are scheduled to start this spring through Toyota vehicle dealers nationwide.
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funnily they still spec it with PS4S even though PS5S is about to arrive.. though not sure if it will be done with that size.
 
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No idea, but if I get a car I'll be replacing them anyway. :LOL:
 
Singh said:
Do you know whereabouts it says that that would be a game changer for me. I would not be without a manual gearbox.
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I wouldn't read too much into it. The UK and European press releases have the exact wording and include a caveat about how spec may vary in different markets:

The automatic model will provide a higher specification with forged wheels, rear and side monitors and premium JBL sound system.

*Specifications may vary according to local market; details will be confirmed nearer the time of the model’s launch.
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Sturesmyg said:
I’m more childish than the Duke I guess. I have this problem where I value exclusivity too much
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Well at least you realize it yourself.

There are 10 generations of the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution and that's not accounting for all the different versions inside a single generation and all the special versions.

Subaru Impreza WRX STI? 6 generations plus hatch and estate versions and special versions too.

These cars were build for a purpose. Competition. So the manufacturers improved them over time. Since when is that something to go crazy over?

And despite these sheer numbers when was the last time you have actually seen an Evo or WRX on the street? Seeing one of them is still a special occasion and both of them were basically produced for over 20 years.

It is not and will not be any different for the GR Yaris. The car is popular and you can't spend a day on the Nürburgring Nordschleife without seeing any of them and yet I have only seen one 3 or 4 times on the streets in the 3 years of owning one myself.
Again when was the last time you have seen a fellow GR Yaris owner on the streets?

If a false sense of exclusivity is a big motivation then you should have bought the 2017 GRMN Yaris. There were only 400 of them built.
Or you could sell your home, family and a kidney to get a down payment for a Pagani or a Koenigsegg.
 
The stat I find most intriguing; Toyota claim 48% of GRYaris owners buy as a “second car” - massive for the GR brand and good for Toyota.

Makes a remarkable case study for the value of a “halo product” and flies in the face of the “shareholder led” corporate strategy destroying so many sound businesses. We need braver and more daring mobility solutions.

The GRYaris offers the dynamic thrills while doing all the day-to-day stuff that really matters i.e. navigate a multi-storey, fits in a parking space or b-road, ground clearance, practical, frugal, discrete (ish) etc. etc.

When the “money no object brigade“ start shopping for a GRYaris [and they are] you know Toyota is getting something right and you don’t need to sweat depreciation.

I welcome the announcement of the 2 - takes nothing away from the original. I’d have either generation in a blink-of-an-eye if my circumstances were different.

To me nothing says “my other car is probably a Lamborghini/Ferrari/Mclaren/Porsche/Lotus” more than a GRYaris.
 
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