GR86 First oil change (poll)

[GRMatt74]

Update on driving 1.5 hours today. I have to report it is NOT a placebo!

I highly recommend the oil change at 7months and 3000miles.
It seriously drives like a different car, the shifts are smoother, and I am able to rev match so much more accurately!

I don't know what Subrau puts in as stock factory break in oils, but the car now has the following distinct behaviour.

-Hill starts, and friction point engine vibration is virtually gone.
-2nd Gear cruise had a vibrating resonance that used to cause a slight annoying buzz, this is gone.
-Synchro-meshing is so smooth it feels like a new gearbox!

I really can't believe the difference it makes (never had to break in a car before). Absolutely go against the Toyota service plan and do one earlier! I can't wait to see what it feels like with LSD and Gearbox fluids changed.

This is why I won’t be changing my oil at 1k miles. The break in oil is really important and 1000 miles isn’t enough to bed in the engine properly. As one owner has already had his engine go bang and strangely changed the factory oil at 1k then I’m not taking any chances just incase there is any connection.
Just my opinion and many may not like it.

 

[TorqueOfTheDevil]

I just order Millers Oils EE Performance 0w-30 from Opie Oils. had the same in 0W-20 previously, but have another track day next weekend and thought as its warmer something slightly thicker would be worth it.

Millers - NanoDrive Fully Synthetic Engine Oil With Nano Tech - CFS 0w30 NT from Fensport, but that isn't ILSAC GF-6A compliant.

At this rate I'm on my 3rd pil change at under 4,000 Miles

 

[Noel McC]

I’ve had email confirmation from Opie this oil does indeed meet the specification demanded by Toyota.

@Itcaptainslow

 

[Noel McC]

Is it this one?

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@KobayashiMaru86 Yep.
As it’s API SP. So it’s yes.
Our engines have timing chains so hence the spec is for an API SP and/or ILSAC GF-6A oil in either of the recommended 0W/20 and/or 5W/30 viscosity's

 

[Noel McC]

I’ve had email confirmation from Opie this oil does indeed meet the specification demanded by Toyota.

Class. @Itcaptainslow Yes.
Spec meets API: SP and/or ILSAC: GF-6A.

 

[AdamST205]

I've asked about this for my service and was told 5W30 in the correct spec is not available for the the dealership to order. The dealership did give me the offer of getting the oil myself but this was messy because I've got the service plan.
I asked Toyota UK and they just focus on that the manual recommends 0-W20 and refused to acknowledge that 5W30 is also suitable. Not very impressed with Toyota UK on this.

Was this through your dealer? My first service is on the 6th September so might pop in earlier to see if either a) They can do it or b) I can supply my own oil.

Surely the dealer should have oil in massive drums and wouldn't order it in?

5w30 is also pretty common. Also does anyone know if oil is available that is actually to spec?

 

[KobayashiMaru86]

My dealer took my oil both times but was the 0W-20.

 

[Itcaptainslow]

Was this through your dealer? My first service is on the 6th September so might pop in earlier to see if either a) They can do it or b) I can supply my own oil.

Surely the dealer should have oil in massive drums and wouldn't order it in?

5w30 is also pretty common. Also does anyone know if oil is available that is actually to spec?

Yes, see the posts above for 5w30 that meets the Toyota spec.

 

[911sse]

Not sure that a Toyota dealership would do that since manual only says 5W-20 can be used if standard 0W isn't available...

I'll be doing my 1,000 mile change soon and also read about many using 5W-30 but wouldn't using that risk voiding your warranty if found out?

Just back from Macklin Motors Toyota in Hamilton with the one year service carried out. I can confirm, they changed the oil to 5W-30 at my request and as in-line with Toyota's guidance. The reasoning being European and alps diving ahead for a fair few thousand miles.

 

[Orro]

Was this through your dealer? My first service is on the 6th September so might pop in earlier to see if either a) They can do it or b) I can supply my own oil.

Surely the dealer should have oil in massive drums and wouldn't order it in?

5w30 is also pretty common. Also does anyone know if oil is available that is actually to spec?

Yep through the dealership

 

[AdamST205]

Just back from Macklin Motors Toyota in Hamilton with the one year service carried out. I can confirm, they changed the oil to 5W-30 at my request and as in-line with Toyota's guidance. The reasoning being European and alps diving ahead for a fair few thousand miles.

Did you supply the oil or did they order it in for the service?

 

[911sse]

Did you supply the oil or did they order it in for the service?

They supplied Toyota's own 5w-30 API SP (GF-6A)

 

[KobayashiMaru86]

They supplied Toyota's own 5w-30 API SP (GF-6A)

How much did they charge for just the oil? I supplied my own last time as it was cheaper to.

 

[911sse]

How much did they charge for just the oil? I supplied my own last time as it was cheaper to.

They didn't, it was a replacement to the standard oil and covered under the service plan.

 

[TorqueOfTheDevil]

I recently changed to Millers 0w-30.
Possibly placebo effect but the car seems smoother and happier. was previously on the Millers 0w-20

(3rd oil change at 4,000 miles....)

 

[GRMatt74]

I recently changed to Millers 0w-30.
Possibly placebo effect but the car seems smoother and happier. was previously on the Millers 0w-20

(3rd oil change at 4,000 miles....)

Was this the one you used?

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[TorqueOfTheDevil]

Was this the one you used?

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No, as it wasn't listed as meeting API SP and GF-6A

This one is though

It is possible the one you listed exceeds those requirements, but there is nothing about it on the manufacturer's website, and I was running out of time so stuck with the EE.

 

[GRMatt74]

No, as it wasn't listed as meeting API SP and GF-6A

This one is though

It is possible the one you listed exceeds those requirements, but there is nothing about it on the manufacturer's website, and I was running out of time so stuck with the EE.

Oh ok. I found Fensport do that one and it’s listed under GR86.
Didn’t realise they did the 0w30 in EE.

 

[KobayashiMaru86]

May try the 0w-30 instead then and try 5w-30 next time. What oils are good for the gearbox and diff? Thinking I may change them at the service too.

 

[unrealpatrik]

May try the 0w-30 instead then and try 5w-30 next time. What oils are good for the gearbox and diff? Thinking I may change them at the service too.

Any GL4 75w for the MT and GL5 75w-85 or 75w-90 for the diff will do. Just make sure you choose the right API GL spec and don't forget to replace crush washers as well. Cou can play with the viscosity based on your use case...

I changed mine at 3k miles, I used Liqui Moly Top Tec MTF 5100 75W for the MT. The shift feel improved, both during cold and during normal operating temps. For the diff I used MOTUL GEAR 300 LS 75W-90. No subjective change in the behaviour of the diff. Here's my original post about the change.

Just a friendly reminder to check the technical spec sheet of oils before you buy them and then double check if the actual product you bought is related to the spec sheet by the product number. I initially wanted Ravenol for the MT, but realised I falled for the marketing wording of the product description... it claimed something like "meets API GL4" specification. However there was no mention of GL4 on the bottle itself when it arrived, so I checked the spec sheet on the Ravenol's website and surely, there wasn't any approved specification...