GR86 Engine Failure

[LukeC22]

Ahh this is because one of them took it on track and shifted from 5th to 2nd, completely screwing everything. Kevin mentioned it in one of his last videos (I think the one where he put new 5 spoke Advans on the red GR).

 

[Mick]

Is going 5th to 2nd an American thing? So many of them seem to do it.

 

[Kosh]

Is going 5th to 2nd an American thing? So many of them seem to do it.

It is called the "money shift" and yes, it mostly happens in Murica, but also in parts of the world, where people are more used to real transmissions.

I think the problem is, that many (more than in other countries) Americans take their cars to track and there this happens more often, than in normal traffic.

 

[AndyRC]

Is going 5th to 2nd an American thing? So many of them seem to do it.

They seam to talk about it more , appears to be a “badge of honour” in some way , I’m sure if anyone on this forum wrecked their engine because they miss shifted they wouldn’t be shouting about it on here Same way no one ever “improves” their car, makes it way worse than standard and says “I’ve spent £, 000 s on my car and it runs badly and the ride is terrible“ , just a thought

 

[Kosh]

They seam to talk about it more , appears to be a “badge of honour” in some way , I’m sure if anyone on this forum wrecked their engine because they miss shifted they wouldn’t be shouting about it on here Same way no one ever “improves” their car, makes it way worse than standard and says “I’ve spent £, 000 s on my car and it runs badly and the ride is terrible“ , just a thought

That may also be a factor.
Because if you money shift, you are a cool racer.

At least one of the money shift guys tried the blame Toyota to get his engine replaced under warranty.
So they don't say "I f*cked up my car" but "My engine blow without a reason"

You are right, in Europe (and nearby Islands) people don't show off with their inabilities

 

[AndyRC]

That may also be a factor.
Because if you money shift, you are a cool racer.

At least one of the money shift guys tried the blame Toyota to get his engine replaced under warranty.
So they don't say "I f*cked up my car" but "My engine blow without a reason"

You are right, in Europe (and nearby Islands) people don't show off with their inabilities

We’re more inclined to post “Is anyone else’s gearbox not shifting properly ?”

 

[BigB]

It is called the "money shift" and yes, it mostly happens in Murica, but also in parts of the world, where people are more used to real transmissions.

I think the problem is, that many (more than in other countries) Americans take their cars to track and there this happens more often, than in normal traffic.

My daughter was being taught "block" shifting last year when learning to drive, generally means 4th to 2nd I guess. I block shift down to 3rd and 2nd sometimes, mainly I guess when you're slowing to a junction/roundabout where you know you're going to be doing 10-20mph, and maybe stopping.

One of my big beefs with 7 and 8 speed semi-auto gearboxes (upshifting generally brilliant) is that downshifting is too slow (actually the software is too slow) and there is no way of dropping quickly 2 or 3 gears or block-shifting.

 

[Conscript]

One of my big beefs with 7 and 8 speed semi-auto gearboxes (upshifting generally brilliant) is that downshifting is too slow (actually the software is too slow) and there is no way of dropping quickly 2 or 3 gears or block-shifting.

I've never driven one, but I thought it most dual clutch semi autos, if you hold the left paddle, the car will downshift straight to the lowest gear possible.

Can anyone else verify that, or is it something I have just made up in my head? Sure I read it somewhere, at least for some cars.

 

[BigB]

I've never driven one, but I thought it most dual clutch semi autos, if you hold the left paddle, the car will downshift straight to the lowest gear possible.

Can anyone else verify that, or is it something I have just made up in my head? Sure I read it somewhere, at least for some cars.

Yes, hold the left paddle and it downshifts about 1 gear every 0.5s (regulated by software), or downshift 1 tap at a time, also about 0.5s per gear.
Experience based on Alfa Giulia 8-speed, Volvo V90 8 speed, Octavia 7 speed DSG. the Volvo software in partiocular, is very poor.

 

[Conscript]

Yes, hold the left paddle and it downshifts about 1 gear every 0.5s (regulated by software), or downshift 1 tap at a time, also about 0.5s per gear.
Experience based on Alfa Giulia 8-speed, Volvo V90 8 speed, Octavia 7 speed DSG. the Volvo software in partiocular, is very poor.

I am almost certain that there is a car out there where if you hold the left paddle, it will downshift to the lowest available for for the RPM...so if you're in 8th, hold the left paddle, it will shift straight down to 2nd - not just drop consecutively through the gears.

Now that I think about it, I think it was in something exotic though, like a Mclaren, so not exactly mainstream. I just remember seeing it in a review and thinking it was a neat feature. I'll see if I can find it.

 

[WpR]

I am almost certain that there is a car out there where if you hold the left paddle, it will downshift to the lowest available for for the RPM...so if you're in 8th, hold the left paddle, it will shift straight down to 2nd - not just drop consecutively through the gears.

Now that I think about it, I think it was in something exotic though, like a Mclaren, so not exactly mainstream. I just remember seeing it in a review and thinking it was a neat feature. I'll see if I can find it.

I saw that in a review too. Many cars have that feature (usually the more premium/exotics indeed - I don't think a Volvo or Citroen will do this ). Corvette for example has it as well.

 

[Mick]

I am almost certain that there is a car out there where if you hold the left paddle, it will downshift to the lowest available for for the RPM...so if you're in 8th, hold the left paddle, it will shift straight down to 2nd - not just drop consecutively through the gears.

Now that I think about it, I think it was in something exotic though, like a Mclaren, so not exactly mainstream. I just remember seeing it in a review and thinking it was a neat feature. I'll see if I can find it.

Ferrari used that system it on 599 GTO back in 2010 (?). It still goes through all the gears, you just don't have to keep pulling the paddle .

 

[BanjoGazooey]

w204 c63 does it too, it's basically just the same thing as kickdown?

 

[CTG 300]

Just a quick note by way of an update on the situation in America - a good friend here in the UK, who knows of my concerns about the reported engine failure issue with the Subaru FA24D power units fitted to the Gen.2 Subaru BRZ and Toyota GR86, sent me a link to this Road & Track article a short while ago:

BRZ and GR86 Owners Are Turning to Independent Shops to Fix Potentially Engine-Blowing RTV Issue

A shop that specializes in the Toyobaru platform has found several cars with the same excessive RTV silicone problem.

www.roadandtrack.com

Note, in particular, the statements from both Subaru of America Inc. and (presumably) Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A. Inc. which are included in the article.

 

[GR86GRY]

I've not really been following this lately, were the RTV issues blown out of proportion or are we likely to need to sort our cars somehow when they actually turn up?

 

[KobayashiMaru86]

There's some in the States and Japan that have over 20000 miles on already.

 

[ZN8]

I've not really been following this lately, were the RTV issues blown out of proportion or are we likely to need to sort our cars somehow when they actually turn up?

I get the impression the RTV debris is widespread but I think the general consensus is that it seems to only be an issue on cars being driven hard (i.e. on track) and is easily rectified if owners are proactive.

 

[AndyRC]

A U.S. Company is developing a modified sump with an additional drain plug directly below the oil pick up tube so that you can easily Inspect for any debris and clean out during an oil change. TBH it’s something the Subaru engineers ought to have put in place from the outset

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[ZN8]

A U.S. Company is developing a modified sump with an additional drain plug directly below the oil pick up tube so that you can easily Inspect for any debris and clean out during an oil change. TBH it’s something the Subaru engineers ought to have put in place from the outset

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Not really, if they applied sealant properly there would be no need to inspect for debris.

Seems like a waste of time, you remove the sump to fit this one, if it's off you might as well just apply sealant properly and refitted the standard sump.

 

[AndyRC]

Not really, if they applied sealant properly there would be no need to inspect for debris.

Seems like a waste of time, you remove the sump to fit this one, if it's off you might as well just apply sealant properly and refitted the standard sump.

IF is the key word , didn’t engines on the GT86 fail after techs didn’t reseal things correctly , IF they had How do you know if You have applied the sealant properly without a borescope to check