GR86 GR86 - The “I’m thinking of cancelling / did cancel my order” thread

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When I placed my actual order on 20th April it said car available in 12 weeks. So. In my case. Yes.

People will cancel or see there orders through based on their own situation. I’m not going to re hash anything. You do you and all that.

Oh wow. I didn't think anyone got estimates that early. Thought "late August" was one of the earliest.
The earliest I ever heard was "July", but that was from when I placed a deposit with the dealer in person (and we all know how that turned out).

 

[Conscript]

This thread is for people that are thinking of cancelling. So just expressing a point as to why someone may want to cancel. If that doesn’t apply to you and you aren’t thinking of cancelling that’s good too.

I genuinely and sincerely hope that, for those of you that are keeping your orders, they aren’t delayed again and everyone is happy with their order

I didn't mean to offend, I was just questioning the "July" estimate. I never thought anyone had actually been told that officially, I'd only heard it mentioned by people who had found it in the dev tools thing.

 

[LU71KEE]

I didn't mean to offend, I was just questioning the "July" estimate. I never thought anyone had actually been told that officially, I'd only heard it mentioned by people who had found it in the dev tools thing.

Sorry I didn’t take any. I didn’t want you to be offended! Bloody internet is so cold haha!

Yea. In the website. When you picked the colour it said available in 12 weeks. I think the blue said 13weeks. At least when I ordered at 10:04

 

[Silver Fox]

I don't know about the rest of you good folk, but warm sunny days and long light summer evenings make me want to polish up my car and pop for a nice country pub teetotal meal or a run out to the coast or whatever.

So this weather makes not having the GR worse!

I know July delivery was in hindsight optimistic, but at the time was feasible when going by assertions from the dealer and the 12/13 weeks (colour dependant) when ordering online.

There is something quite exciting about getting the first of a new car when it comes out too. I can remember years ago practically sprinting out of my home and across the road to talk to a neighbour who had one of the first Nissan 350z in the country. Genuinely exciting.

 

[LU71KEE]

I find the whole thing with the dealerships bizarre. If Toyota never intended letting them sell the cars and are so bad and untrustworthy as some have suggested, why did Toyota do an internal bulletin to all of them with the cars info, prices, order book opening date and delivery info stating the 1st batch would be here in July. Personally I had contacted dealerships in about 6 areas to try and get the best trade in price and also because more dealerships have your details your more likely to get told the info early (as some may be a bit late to the party).
I heard the same info from different franchises and was really surprised that a batch would be out so soon, as my wife’s new car took about 16 weeks. So when I did the trade in deal with my dealership to sell my car late July having had a delivery date of mid August I wasn’t expecting to be without a car until 2023-2024. So personally I think everyone on here is entitled to do whatever suits them. Supra looks mint by the way. If I wasn’t from Yorkshire and too tight to pay higher band tax I would be keen.

Thanks, it's like being a kid at Christmas for me at the moment, im counting down the amount of sleeps left haha.

The higher tax band had been the only thing that had put me off, but, when I thought about it I had been paying £28ish a month for the Celica so just decided if, after the first year, I could still find another £20 a month and actually because I get paid mileage for work I justified it to myself by saying it would get swallowed up in that. I appreciate I'm fortunate enough to be in that position mind.

I also appreciate that I'm fortunate enough to be able to afford the Supra and the monthly payments. It was only because I sold my guitars so that I could double my 86 deposit.

I agree the dealership fiasco just didn't make sense. I'm sure it made sense to whomever decided it was a good idea though.
The guy in the dealership I'm getting the supra from said how difficult it had been to sell the Limited Edition Aygo Cross because all the other models they could just order as normal for customers, but if a customer wanted that one it had to all be done online in the dealership

 

[LU71KEE]

I don't know about the rest of you good folk, but warm sunny days and long light summer evenings make me want to polish up my car and pop for a nice country pub teetotal meal or a run out to the coast or whatever.

So this weather makes not having the GR worse!

I know July delivery was in hindsight optimistic, but at the time was feasible when going by assertions from the dealer and the 12/13 weeks (colour dependant) when ordering online.

There is something quite exciting about getting the first of a new car when it comes out too. I can remember years ago practically sprinting out of my home and across the road to talk to a neighbour who had one of the first Nissan 350z in the country. Genuinely exciting.

I remember at the time as well there were rumours circulating that some of the cars had already been built and just needed to be assigned as it was all one trim level, how naïve haha

 

[GS6R4]

I find the whole thing with the dealerships bizarre. If Toyota never intended letting them sell the cars and are so bad and untrustworthy as some have suggested, why did Toyota do an internal bulletin to all of them with the cars info, prices, order book opening date and delivery info stating the 1st batch would be here in July.

It's funny reading that bulletin now... dynamic press launch mid-late May, demo cars (one per GR centre) June, customer deliveries July. How did they get it so wrong?!!

I've still had nothing from TGB to say there is any variation from the August delivery they told me in my one and only phone call I've had so presumably it'll be delivered in the next couple of weeks

 

[byebyeMX5]

I reckon that anyone that cancelled their order would be a bit naive....that £1000 that Toyota have taken will be getting a very good interest rate while the car isnt even in the parts bin yet!!

When it arrives the dealer will probably offer to buy it at 5-6k over what we will pay.

If you are borrowing money for it then I dont see why you couldn't find a prospective buyer at higher money and both go to the dealer to collect, they transfer to your bank and you transfer the £29,950 to the dealer and drink their coffee while you fill out the log book for the new owner!!

 

[LU71KEE]

I reckon that anyone that cancelled their order would be a bit naive....that £1000 that Toyota have taken will be getting a very good interest rate while the car isnt even in the parts bin yet!!

When it arrives the dealer will probably offer to buy it at 5-6k over what we will pay.

If you are borrowing money for it then I dont see why you couldn't find a prospective buyer at higher money and both go to the dealer to collect, they transfer to your bank and you transfer the £29,950 to the dealer and drink their coffee while you fill out the log book for the new owner!!

I'll have to remember that closer to the time haha

 

[GR86GRY]

I didn't mean to offend, I was just questioning the "July" estimate. I never thought anyone had actually been told that officially, I'd only heard it mentioned by people who had found it in the dev tools thing.

Tbf, even their press pack which it still live and is the most up to date information they've chosen to release says:

"Customer deliveries are expected to begin in July this year."

GR86 (1st generation, 2021–2025) - Toyota Media Site

media.toyota.co.uk

 

[Bonzo1930]

Toyota have made a right old mess of this from the start -
1. Last minute decision to sell online early
2. Offering unrealistic delivery time at the point of ordering
3. Absolutely appalling communication from Toyota
4. Start of deliveries delayed until October with no sensible explanation
5. Rumours circulating of engine problems

I'm sure I could go on so I think it's hardly surprising that some of us are thinking of cancelling,
At the moment I'm sitting on the fence, if others start to get there cars delivered & the rumoured engine problems are put to bed then my concerns will be eased but in the meantime if I see something else I like then maybe it will be time for me to cancel & move on

 

[volksdub]

Toyota have made a right old mess of this from the start -
1. Last minute decision to sell online early
2. Offering unrealistic delivery time at the point of ordering
3. Absolutely appalling communication from Toyota
4. Start of deliveries delayed until October with no sensible explanation
5. Rumours circulating of engine problems

I'm sure I could go on so I think it's hardly surprising that some of us are thinking of cancelling,
At the moment I'm sitting on the fence, if others start to get there cars delivered & the rumoured engine problems are put to bed then my concerns will be eased but in the meantime if I see something else I like then maybe it will be time for me to cancel & move on

We still haven’t been told about any delays till October, we only know that from a few on here that made contact with them for an update.

 

[byebyeMX5]

I guess the problem with a forum totally dedicated to one car,

When the Mr or Mrs says Ive had enough of your whinging.......the old keyboard gets a hammering!!

 

[Silver Fox]

If you are borrowing money for it then I dont see why you couldn't find a prospective buyer at higher money and both go to the dealer to collect, they transfer to your bank and you transfer the £29,950 to the dealer and drink their coffee while you fill out the log book for the new owner!!

Great idea - but I suspect it may trigger some anti money laundering protocols!

 

[byebyeMX5]

Great idea - but I suspect it may trigger some anti money laundering protocols!

Completely lost me there!! Is that a series on the box?

Have you arranged for yours to be delivered with a boot full of white powder??

 

[BanjoGazooey]

Completely lost me there!! Is that a series on the box?

Have you arranged for yours to be delivered with a boot full of white powder??

A friend of mine once bought second hand Audi A5 from a dealer and found some 'disco biscuits' in the sun visor.. So it can happen!

 

[drz252]

When it arrives the dealer will probably offer to buy it at 5-6k over what we will pay.

Evening all. Sorry that I've been a bit quiet lately. Allow me to test your patience and make up for that...

With the greatest respect to @byebyeMX5 - to whom I intend no discourtesy - the comment above has jolted me out of my silence.

The latest thinking from Toyota is that deliveries might begin in November for cars which arrived in July. The poor lads and lasses on the telephones have no further information, just the script given to them about 'conditions in the European market' (and certainly nothing on the rumoured sealant problems). Given the lack of transparency and decision-making on 'early bird' orders or subsequent delays to cars held in Derby, I have little confidence that I will receive my car in 2022. It might happen, but I have lost faith in the higher-ups at Toyota who have shown little regard to those of us who have enthusiastically embraced the GR86 concept and committed our deposits sight-unseen to a car which we trust Toyota will get right.

However - as @Enigma76 and others have already said - the cars we might eventually receive are only part of the story. Whether as a cash purchase or on finance, any car is a major financial commitment, and - especially in the case of unnecessary sports cars - the chase can be as important as the catch.

We can understand supply chain disruption, and even retro-fitting parts to rectify acknowledged manufacturing issues. It is harder to accept the way in which Toyota is treating us as GR86 customers - offering no information, and then inaccurate information, and then forum members having to share news since there has been literally no official communication from Toyota themselves. I take no satisfaction in saying this has been disgraceful customer service.

It is perfectly understandable that some forum members are considering cancelling their orders. However, the comment by @byebyeMX5 made me wince a little. I really hope that nobody will cling on to an unwanted order in the hope of making a few quid.

The GR86 is a niche car. That is why we love it, but also why very few manufacturers are making cars like the GR86 (and not many people are buying them).

If and when we eventually receive our cars, we are likely heading in to a rather difficult winter, with potentially a hard year ahead. Even if we never hear the words "COVID-23", inflation will be driving up the prices of everyday essentials and leaving less in our kitties for discretionary purchases. Every indication suggests that the BoE's latest half-point rise in interest rates will not be their last, hitting mortgages and lending rates. Oil prices may have settled, but gas prices may remain high... you don't need me to repeat the prophecies of impending economic doom you hear every time you turn on the telly.

The GR86 is a £30k sports car. A £30k sports car which can officially manage 32mpg, running on Super Unleaded (which can still be over £1.80/litre around my way). A £30k sports car with only two proper seats and a small boot, and less power than any mid-size hot hatch.

I expect that many of the customers who could constitute the secondary market for this car could find themselves struggling to justify the indulgence in the near future, or choosing to indulge it elsewhere. And I'm not entirely persuaded that the GR86 is quite the 'future classic' that some of the more excitable media would have us believe. A great car, fun to drive and an eventual victim of the modding scene... no doubt. But I'm not sure that a little Japanese four-pot coupe is going to trouble the stages at Sotheby's in the years ahead.

There are currently three GT86s nationwide on Auto Trader with fewer than 5k miles, all registered in 2020 and priced for sale at £27,545, £27,990 and £28,000. Taking into account dealer profit, marginal VAT and the costs of preparing the car and its paperwork for sale, I doubt any of those previous owners got much more than £25k for their cars.

I could have bought a 10-mile, pre-registered GT86 in the depths of winter in early 2021. Travel restrictions ultimately prevented me, but it was priced to sell at £23k, which was a fairly stonking deal at the time. Had I bought it, taxed and insured it and run it for a year, it would have cost me at least £25k.

Perhaps I am too cautious, but I do not think that it makes sense to buy the GR86 to sell it for profit - the margin just isn't there. With paint included, you're risking £31k for the chance to make... £2k? To me, that isn't worth the gamble. I would rather forsake my car in the hope some poor soul languishing on the waiting list receives a car at list price, that they will cherish and enjoy as I never could.

Like many of you, I am deeply frustrated that a possible summer of enjoyable motoring in my new GR86 has been denied for reasons that have never been communicated. I think of the other cars that I could have bought and received by now (yes, even in this market), and the journeys that weren't made.

Ultimately, I'm asking myself whether I am prepared to pay Toyota £31k to be treated like this. The car seems less important with each passing week without news. If I proceed with the purchase, I am telling Toyota that this is acceptable. And I fully understand that for some of you, none of this sentimental hogwash matters a damn.

But I am getting closer and closer to thinking that, to me, it matters quite a lot.

 

[AndyRC]

Some of us will make it through this , others will sadly not, but will always be remembered and the friendship of what we all endured will be remain with us forever, it will make us better people

 

[Bonzo1930]

Evening all. Sorry that I've been a bit quiet lately. Allow me to test your patience and make up for that...

With the greatest respect to @byebyeMX5 - to whom I intend no discourtesy - the comment above has jolted me out of my silence.

The latest thinking from Toyota is that deliveries might begin in November for cars which arrived in July. The poor lads and lasses on the telephones have no further information, just the script given to them about 'conditions in the European market' (and certainly nothing on the rumoured sealant problems). Given the lack of transparency and decision-making on 'early bird' orders or subsequent delays to cars held in Derby, I have little confidence that I will receive my car in 2022. It might happen, but I have lost faith in the higher-ups at Toyota who have shown little regard to those of us who have enthusiastically embraced the GR86 concept and committed our deposits sight-unseen to a car which we trust Toyota will get right.

However - as @Enigma76 and others have already said - the cars we might eventually receive are only part of the story. Whether as a cash purchase or on finance, any car is a major financial commitment, and - especially in the case of unnecessary sports cars - the chase can be as important as the catch.

We can understand supply chain disruption, and even retro-fitting parts to rectify acknowledged manufacturing issues. It is harder to accept the way in which Toyota is treating us as GR86 customers - offering no information, and then inaccurate information, and then forum members having to share news since there has been literally no official communication from Toyota themselves. I take no satisfaction in saying this has been disgraceful customer service.

It is perfectly understandable that some forum members are considering cancelling their orders. However, the comment by @byebyeMX5 made me wince a little. I really hope that nobody will cling on to an unwanted order in the hope of making a few quid.

The GR86 is a niche car. That is why we love it, but also why very few manufacturers are making cars like the GR86 (and not many people are buying them).

If and when we eventually receive our cars, we are likely heading in to a rather difficult winter, with potentially a hard year ahead. Even if we never hear the words "COVID-23", inflation will be driving up the prices of everyday essentials and leaving less in our kitties for discretionary purchases. Every indication suggests that the BoE's latest half-point rise in interest rates will not be their last, hitting mortgages and lending rates. Oil prices may have settled, but gas prices may remain high... you don't need me to repeat the prophecies of impending economic doom you hear every time you turn on the telly.

The GR86 is a £30k sports car. A £30k sports car which can officially manage 32mpg, running on Super Unleaded (which can still be over £1.80/litre around my way). A £30k sports car with only two proper seats and a small boot, and less power than any mid-size hot hatch.

I expect that many of the customers who could constitute the secondary market for this car could find themselves struggling to justify the indulgence in the near future, or choosing to indulge it elsewhere. And I'm not entirely persuaded that the GR86 is quite the 'future classic' that some of the more excitable media would have us believe. A great car, fun to drive and an eventual victim of the modding scene... no doubt. But I'm not sure that a little Japanese four-pot coupe is going to trouble the stages at Sotheby's in the years ahead.

There are currently three GT86s nationwide on Auto Trader with fewer than 5k miles, all registered in 2020 and priced for sale at £27,545, £27,990 and £28,000. Taking into account dealer profit, marginal VAT and the costs of preparing the car and its paperwork for sale, I doubt any of those previous owners got much more than £25k for their cars.

I could have bought a 10-mile, pre-registered GT86 in the depths of winter in early 2021. Travel restrictions ultimately prevented me, but it was priced to sell at £23k, which was a fairly stonking deal at the time. Had I bought it, taxed and insured it and run it for a year, it would have cost me at least £25k.

Perhaps I am too cautious, but I do not think that it makes sense to buy the GR86 to sell it for profit - the margin just isn't there. With paint included, you're risking £31k for the chance to make... £2k? To me, that isn't worth the gamble. I would rather forsake my car in the hope some poor soul languishing on the waiting list receives a car at list price, that they will cherish and enjoy as I never could.

Like many of you, I am deeply frustrated that a possible summer of enjoyable motoring in my new GR86 has been denied for reasons that have never been communicated. I think of the other cars that I could have bought and received by now (yes, even in this market), and the journeys that weren't made.

Ultimately, I'm asking myself whether I am prepared to pay Toyota £31k to be treated like this. The car seems less important with each passing week without news. If I proceed with the purchase, I am telling Toyota that this is acceptable. And I fully understand that for some of you, none of this sentimental hogwash matters a damn.

But I am getting closer and closer to thinking that, to me, it matters quite a lot.

I think you made some excellent points that really resonate with many of us, Toyota have really treated us to a masterclass in poor customer service and communication at a bargain price of £1000.
I have previously said, back in April we all made a rush decision to put a deposit on a car we've never seen on a website that gave a 12-13 week delivery time, now with the unexplained delays, rumours of engine problems no one is really sure when Toyota will start to deliver cars?
For me personally as time passes I become less enthusiastic about the car & with the current economic situation the purchase of a 2nd fun car seems harder to justify.
I think Toyota just need to communicate with there customers tell us the truth about what's going on, if there's a problem with the cars & realistically when we can expect delivery, then we can make an informed decision, if there are only 400 cars to sell even if the truth is really bad it is unlikely it's going to scare everyone off with an order & everyone on the waiting list, so come on Toyota stop treating your customers like mushrooms!

 

[mutix]

Evening all. Sorry that I've been a bit quiet lately. Allow me to test your patience and make up for that...

With the greatest respect to @byebyeMX5 - to whom I intend no discourtesy - the comment above has jolted me out of my silence.

The latest thinking from Toyota is that deliveries might begin in November for cars which arrived in July. The poor lads and lasses on the telephones have no further information, just the script given to them about 'conditions in the European market' (and certainly nothing on the rumoured sealant problems). Given the lack of transparency and decision-making on 'early bird' orders or subsequent delays to cars held in Derby, I have little confidence that I will receive my car in 2022. It might happen, but I have lost faith in the higher-ups at Toyota who have shown little regard to those of us who have enthusiastically embraced the GR86 concept and committed our deposits sight-unseen to a car which we trust Toyota will get right.

However - as @Enigma76 and others have already said - the cars we might eventually receive are only part of the story. Whether as a cash purchase or on finance, any car is a major financial commitment, and - especially in the case of unnecessary sports cars - the chase can be as important as the catch.

We can understand supply chain disruption, and even retro-fitting parts to rectify acknowledged manufacturing issues. It is harder to accept the way in which Toyota is treating us as GR86 customers - offering no information, and then inaccurate information, and then forum members having to share news since there has been literally no official communication from Toyota themselves. I take no satisfaction in saying this has been disgraceful customer service.

It is perfectly understandable that some forum members are considering cancelling their orders. However, the comment by @byebyeMX5 made me wince a little. I really hope that nobody will cling on to an unwanted order in the hope of making a few quid.

The GR86 is a niche car. That is why we love it, but also why very few manufacturers are making cars like the GR86 (and not many people are buying them).

If and when we eventually receive our cars, we are likely heading in to a rather difficult winter, with potentially a hard year ahead. Even if we never hear the words "COVID-23", inflation will be driving up the prices of everyday essentials and leaving less in our kitties for discretionary purchases. Every indication suggests that the BoE's latest half-point rise in interest rates will not be their last, hitting mortgages and lending rates. Oil prices may have settled, but gas prices may remain high... you don't need me to repeat the prophecies of impending economic doom you hear every time you turn on the telly.

The GR86 is a £30k sports car. A £30k sports car which can officially manage 32mpg, running on Super Unleaded (which can still be over £1.80/litre around my way). A £30k sports car with only two proper seats and a small boot, and less power than any mid-size hot hatch.

I expect that many of the customers who could constitute the secondary market for this car could find themselves struggling to justify the indulgence in the near future, or choosing to indulge it elsewhere. And I'm not entirely persuaded that the GR86 is quite the 'future classic' that some of the more excitable media would have us believe. A great car, fun to drive and an eventual victim of the modding scene... no doubt. But I'm not sure that a little Japanese four-pot coupe is going to trouble the stages at Sotheby's in the years ahead.

There are currently three GT86s nationwide on Auto Trader with fewer than 5k miles, all registered in 2020 and priced for sale at £27,545, £27,990 and £28,000. Taking into account dealer profit, marginal VAT and the costs of preparing the car and its paperwork for sale, I doubt any of those previous owners got much more than £25k for their cars.

I could have bought a 10-mile, pre-registered GT86 in the depths of winter in early 2021. Travel restrictions ultimately prevented me, but it was priced to sell at £23k, which was a fairly stonking deal at the time. Had I bought it, taxed and insured it and run it for a year, it would have cost me at least £25k.

Perhaps I am too cautious, but I do not think that it makes sense to buy the GR86 to sell it for profit - the margin just isn't there. With paint included, you're risking £31k for the chance to make... £2k? To me, that isn't worth the gamble. I would rather forsake my car in the hope some poor soul languishing on the waiting list receives a car at list price, that they will cherish and enjoy as I never could.

Like many of you, I am deeply frustrated that a possible summer of enjoyable motoring in my new GR86 has been denied for reasons that have never been communicated. I think of the other cars that I could have bought and received by now (yes, even in this market), and the journeys that weren't made.

Ultimately, I'm asking myself whether I am prepared to pay Toyota £31k to be treated like this. The car seems less important with each passing week without news. If I proceed with the purchase, I am telling Toyota that this is acceptable. And I fully understand that for some of you, none of this sentimental hogwash matters a damn.

But I am getting closer and closer to thinking that, to me, it matters quite a lot.

I don't think anyone on this forum has any expectations anymore regarding his GR86 - basically, everything went wrong regarding this car's release in the EU hence people's frustration (which involves a desire to flip). It is only Toyota's lack of coms to blame, nothing else.

But I am also not having high hopes of getting the car in October / November - tbh would be great if Toyota could fulfil to get the delivery in 12 months from order date so I can have car Spring 2023.