GR Yaris Checking mileage is genuine?

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These seems a lot of low mileage GRY's available, but I also read the other day that the prevalence of clocking is on the up, with (if you believe some reports) around 1 in 10 UK cars currently estimated to have been 'mileage adjusted'.

I remember a few years back when I was buying a used 911 from a Porsche dealership, the Porsche salesperson carefully outlined how the ECU of any Porsche being offered on the 'approved used' scheme had been analysed to ensure mileage was genuine, and that the cars had not been 'revved' beyond recommended parameters.

So apart from the usual clues from visual inspection of a car, is there any way with a GRY to validate mileage via interrogation of its various ECU's?
 
Some people use these cars as daily's so will have average or higher mileage but I think the majority are used as fun second cars which means they will naturally have lower miles.
These cars have only being out about 4 years and most people do see the warranty being really important so will look after it. This means servicing must be done on time by Toyota or a reputable garage. That means documentation of work done must be kept ready for any warranty claim.
A four year old car must have this paperwork or the owner doesn't care about warranty and I would avoide that car. I once bought a 7 year old Celica and part of the sale he showed me the documentation to persuade me he had looked after it. I went to that garage and the owner confirmed everything. I could have phoned them. When I went to look at it the first thing I did was ask some of the neighbours who were around about the car and when they told me he had owned it from new and was always out cleaning it that told me a lot about the car and owner. After 3 years you can view the MOT info which I did on a 7 year old Seat Mii I once bought and it told me every thing about that car from year 3 onwards.
If this documentation isn't there then buy it at your peril and how would you go on with warranty claims if you can't prove propper servicing which will state mileage each time?
 
cuddles said:
I once bought a 7 year old Celica and part of the sale he showed me the documentation to persuade me he had looked after it. I went to that garage and the owner confirmed everything. I could have phoned them. When I went to look at it the first thing I did was ask some of the neighbours who were around about the car and when they told me he had owned it from new and was always out cleaning it that told me a lot about the car and owner. After 3 years you can view the MOT info which I did on a 7 year old Seat Mii I once bought and it told me every thing about that car from year 3 onwards.
If this documentation isn't there then buy it at your peril and how would you go on with warranty claims if you can't prove propper servicing which will state mileage each time?
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I agree with the first bit cuddles wrote. A lot of cars were purchased as second cars or Ford owners thinking they’re sitting on the next Mexico or Cosworth. As these cars are still under warranty I suspect you won’t see at clocking going on.

Regarding speaking to a prospective buyer don’t speak to their neighbours that’s not normal or healthy behaviour.
 
Ecsrobin said:
I agree with the first bit cuddles wrote. A lot of cars were purchased as second cars or Ford owners thinking they’re sitting on the next Mexico or Cosworth. As these cars are still under warranty I suspect you won’t see at clocking going on.

Regarding speaking to a prospective buyer don’t speak to their neighbours that’s not normal or healthy behaviour
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Not normal or healthy nehaviour.... Boll***s
Three doors from me a chap gets cars and spends a week tarting them up and you see people coming to look at it after he has moved the others out of the way. Ask me and I would tell you that. Another chap a mile up the road does something similar but with about 5 cars that were damaged, repaired and sold privately. His neighbours will also be aware of that.
The "asking neighbours" bit I read in a car magazine years ago. While I was doing that my brother in law who has been in the trade all his life inspected the car for new nuts and bolts and signs of repairs and now teaches it also told me to go and have a chat with the neighbour in his garden and find out anything I could as he would only take cash. If you were to ask my neighbours how I look after my cars they will happily tell you I spend hours caring for them which is why a few have said over the years before I sell them let them know.
I didn't interrogate them just explained I was looking to buy it and could he tell me anything that he knew and he said the young couple had a child on the way and he was gutted to need to sell it for a bigger car and had it from new. My B.Iaw said all was orriginal and seemed genuine.
A quick word with the neighbour backed up what we were seeing.
This should be normal and healthy behaviour before you hand over thousands in cash. It's call using your head.
 
cuddles said:
Not normal or healthy nehaviour.... Boll***s
Three doors from me a chap gets cars and spends a week tarting them up and you see people coming to look at it after he has moved the others out of the way. Ask me and I would tell you that. Another chap a mile up the road does something similar but with about 5 cars that were damaged, repaired and sold privately. His neighbours will also be aware of that.
The "asking neighbours" bit I read in a car magazine years ago. While I was doing that my brother in law who has been in the trade all his life inspected the car for new nuts and bolts and signs of repairs and now teaches it also told me to go and have a chat with the neighbour in his garden and find out anything I could as he would only take cash. If you were to ask my neighbours how I look after my cars they will happily tell you I spend hours caring for them which is why a few have said over the years before I sell them let them know.
I didn't interrogate them just explained I was looking to buy it and could he tell me anything that he knew and he said the young couple had a child on the way and he was gutted to need to sell it for a bigger car and had it from new. My B.Iaw said all was orriginal and seemed genuine.
A quick word with the neighbour backed up what we were seeing.
This should be normal and healthy behaviour before you hand over thousands in cash. It's call using your head.
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“Hello next door I see cuddles had an advisory on his MOT can you tell me about it?” 🤣😂
 
Crafnant said:
These seems a lot of low mileage GRY's available, but I also read the other day that the prevalence of clocking is on the up, with (if you believe some reports) around 1 in 10 UK cars currently estimated to have been 'mileage adjusted'.

I remember a few years back when I was buying a used 911 from a Porsche dealership, the Porsche salesperson carefully outlined how the ECU of any Porsche being offered on the 'approved used' scheme had been analysed to ensure mileage was genuine, and that the cars had not been 'revved' beyond recommended parameters.

So apart from the usual clues from visual inspection of a car, is there any way with a GRY to validate mileage via interrogation of its various ECU's?
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Mileage is also recorded on the app so I guess there will be some discrepancy between the 2.
Given how long it took for the ecu to be cracked I reckon it’s quite difficult.
 
Daz GR said:
Mileage is also recorded on the app so I guess there will be some discrepancy between the 2.
Given how long it took for the ecu to be cracked I reckon it’s quite difficult.
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Well, the app... I had a service at 4500km and the next at 68000km. "according to the app" I currently have 6600km on the clock:). According to the app my car has been in for repairs 10 times... but I've never been there. That's entered every time I pick up an oil filter or something else:).
 
Crafnant said:
These seems a lot of low mileage GRY's available, but I also read the other day that the prevalence of clocking is on the up, with (if you believe some reports) around 1 in 10 UK cars currently estimated to have been 'mileage adjusted'.

I remember a few years back when I was buying a used 911 from a Porsche dealership, the Porsche salesperson carefully outlined how the ECU of any Porsche being offered on the 'approved used' scheme had been analysed to ensure mileage was genuine, and that the cars had not been 'revved' beyond recommended parameters.

So apart from the usual clues from visual inspection of a car, is there any way with a GRY to validate mileage via interrogation of its various ECU's?
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Clocking cars is huge and has been since pcp became more popular. It seems to be customers rather than the trade trying to keep their agreed mileage down.
It doesn’t appear to be a thing on the Yaris, so at the moment at least I wouldn’t be unduly suspicious, It wouldn’t be near the top of my worries on buying these.
I don’t know about Porsche main dealer checks but BMWs for instance store the miles in several places so there can be a cross check. However this is well known about and can be overcome with the correct application of technology. Crooks are unbelievably smart!
The old fashioned ways of comparing the paperwork is still the best clue.
The ecu of most cars can be interrogated for “x”time at certain rpm and throttle positions etc so that’s nothing new and can be done by Toyota. They probably won’t do that for a sale car but they might for an expensive warranty repair. I can’t remember if the std dealer level tech stream can do that.
If you want an easy way to buy a car that hasn’t been clocked or modified etc there really isn’t, buying a car you know is still a good plan. If you can’t do that buy the owner.
 
A well cared for car will have a folder or something with every invoice and receipt kept. Along with a nicely stamped up service history book, although I’ve had to insist on this being done because my local always forget then say “ah it’s all electronic now mate”. Those are a good indications of a well looked after car with genuine mileage.
 
GRBadger said:
A well cared for car will have a folder or something with every invoice and receipt kept. Along with a nicely stamped up service history book, although I’ve had to insist on this being done because my local always forget then say “ah it’s all electronic now mate”. Those are a good indications of a well looked after car with genuine mileage.
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I don’t think that’s a guarantee for a well cared for car. It just means the previous owner was a hoarder.
 
Ecsrobin said:
I don’t think that’s a guarantee for a well cared for car. It just means the previous owner was a hoarder.
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Or just the previous owner was neat, organised and kept relevant paperwork pertaining to the car?

I went to view a lovely Audi RS4 for a friend today (friend lives miles away). The car was presented beautifully, and all of the paperwork was neat & tidy in a folder. Looking at the owner's house, he didn't appear to be a hoarder... ;)

Can't say I went to the trouble of speaking to his neighbours, mind.
 
Ecsrobin said:
I don’t think that’s a guarantee for a well cared for car. It just means the previous owner was a hoarder.
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I guess I’m a hoarder then if I like to keep all my car invoices and documents neat and tidy in a clear pocket ring binder.
 
My six monthly checks show on my toyora app as "repair" , I asked a technicians view on my gear shift and it was test drove, this shows on my app as " repair" ,I will be raising this at my dealership.
If you go by the app if you were buying my car you'd think it's had a shit load of recall or fixes ,in reality it's had nothing that I know of.
The dealership say there is actually no dealer stamp on the service book for the 6 month safety checks.
 
idrinkbeer said:
My six monthly checks show on my toyora app as "repair" , I asked a technicians view on my gear shift and it was test drove, this shows on my app as " repair" ,I will be raising this at my dealership.
If you go by the app if you were buying my car you'd think it's had a shit load of recall or fixes ,in reality it's had nothing that I know of.
The dealership say there is actually no dealer stamp on the service book for the 6 month safety checks.
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They are correct no stamp for the 6 monthly after all it’s just what Halfords and the like would offer as a free winter safety check.

As mentioned though the online version is more detailed.
 
idrinkbeer said:
My six monthly checks show on my toyora app as "repair" , I asked a technicians view on my gear shift and it was test drove, this shows on my app as " repair" ,I will be raising this at my dealership.
If you go by the app if you were buying my car you'd think it's had a shit load of recall or fixes ,in reality it's had nothing that I know of.
The dealership say there is actually no dealer stamp on the service book for the 6 month safety checks.
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As I mentioned before, every time I buy a sealing ring or a new oil filter, it shows up in the app as "Repair". So the app is completely useless in this regard.
 
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