I really disagree with your comment. As a motoring journalist, you should never start with a review biased about a brand/model. I'm intrested in reviews from people who actually have experience with a lot of different cars. She's the kind of person that's blown away by Tesla acceleration...
GR Yaris (Gen 2) GR Yaris Mk2 (MY2024->)
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I mean.. if someone is not blown away by Tesla acceleration something is wrong with them.
Sandervdw, you complained about brand/model bias and in the next sentence you added your own bias against electric vehicles. If you have right to do that, she can aswell. We are in a world where there are "motoring jurnalists" and there are people who dump you stats and are careful not to say anything so bad, that they wouldn't get invited next time. And there are youtubers which tell you their feeling about the event they attended. Both have their space and it's up to viewers to decide who to listen to and who not to. I also felt that review was genuine, she pointed things that my friends who own Golfs and Mercs would point out.
She was the only reviewer who actually complained about plastic, every other reviewer just expected it to be bad, because they have driven mk1 and have their expectations already set. I haven't owned a Yaris, so that information is welcome for sure.
Sandervdw, you complained about brand/model bias and in the next sentence you added your own bias against electric vehicles. If you have right to do that, she can aswell. We are in a world where there are "motoring jurnalists" and there are people who dump you stats and are careful not to say anything so bad, that they wouldn't get invited next time. And there are youtubers which tell you their feeling about the event they attended. Both have their space and it's up to viewers to decide who to listen to and who not to. I also felt that review was genuine, she pointed things that my friends who own Golfs and Mercs would point out.
She was the only reviewer who actually complained about plastic, every other reviewer just expected it to be bad, because they have driven mk1 and have their expectations already set. I haven't owned a Yaris, so that information is welcome for sure.
I own an electric vehicle
. And I have driven a Model S (not plaid but P100D/Performance). Ofcourse that acceleration is amazing, but as anyone will say, that's a thing you do the first 1000km, and then you're getting bored of it, and the car isn't that good in anything else.Compare this to eg. CarWow or Autogefuhl (both which dare to give negative comments imo), and there is a massive difference. They will also both mention cheap plastics, but won't go into to much detail as that's not what the car is about. And they will surely not base their opinion on the name of the brand/model.
And I also have friends who called me crazy when I said I was replacing the Porsche with a Yaris. Until the started reading into it. Nobody who is interested in this car, hasn't already researched about it. It's not a review of the new generation (eg.) Skoda Superb, which might be relevant for a lot of people, it's a review for the very niche of car enthousiasts.
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They say there will only be 2000 cars built per year. That is going to make it near impossible for the people to get one.
At the top of the article it says it can be leased for £449. How can a leasing company get one when loyal GRY owners on here are getting turned down?
They say it hasn't the pedigree of Type R. I think they are very different cars though for different buyers. How long will it be and what does it take before we can say it has its own pedigree.
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That figure is for a mk1, and needs you to punt up best part of £5k initially too. There won't obviously be a car available, it's an old listing.
The cheapest new one is also on a 9+47, so needs about £1,500 up front and £150 more per month
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This is the link https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/tech...urned-off-for-good/ar-BB1pw2N6?ocid=sampleappDead link
That figure is for a mk1, and needs you to punt up best part of £5k initially too. There won't obviously be a car available, it's an old listing.
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The cheapest new one is also on a 9+47, so needs about £1,500 up front and £150 more per month
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"Audio chimes similar to seatbelt warnings, and haptic feedback – vibrations of the accelerator pedal – also feature on some models, such as Toyota’s 2024 GR Yaris."
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It’s very much the mk1 review with a few new paragraphs slotted in. Very odd for a big publication like TG.
And that’s what I find crazy about the ladies youtube video I posted the other day, she has a very small following yet has released a video and yet a big publication like top gear appear to have reviewed the press release.
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Strange also because the preceding paragraph sings its praises from the rooftops
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The figure makes sense as in late 2023 the production of MK1 GR Yaris had dropped to 8 a day and that included the GRMN and Japanese RS (fwd) model as they share a line with the GR Corolla.
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I have just bought that shopping version - New Yaris Cross as daily and the hold button is the first thing I press as I like how it holds the car for up to 3 minutes when the brake pedal is pressed for about 2 seconds. Having never driven an auto it has surprised me how much I enjoy driving it (CVT) and would have been a reason for me to get the auto GRY as one foot driving is so nice after 45 years of driving manuals. Shame if it hasn't got it but I don't think my CH-R had the button but still held for a while - but not fully sure!
I'm not sure about the GRY and CTR being very different cars for different buyers. I cross-shopped my GRY with a CTR because they are both fun and engaging hot hatches that cost about the same in some markets, like Asia.
Both cars come with a manual transmission, which is a must for me and significantly narrows my choices.
Many people can't fathom the idea of a FWD being a great and fun platform, believing that fun can only be had with AWD and RWD. However, for open-minded enthusiasts who truly value engagement and precision handling, the new FL5 Type R is hard to ignore because it's just that good.
After test-driving both, I can confidently say the Type R is far more responsive and precise in the corners than the GRY, and it's still very lightweight compared to everything else out there.
The only reason I chose the GRY was its availability when I bought it last year. Had that not been the case, I would likely be driving the new Type R, which has a slight edge in sportiness and agility.
I'm still looking to get into the Type R sometime this year or next year. Owning both a GRY and CTR makes a lot of sense to me because of the nostalgia and the joy of having two modern sports cars with manual transmissions that are incredibly drive-focused. There's not much else out there for the money.
For the money of a GRY and a CTR, there is a lot out there
But I agree, FWD hot hatches can be great fun (but they can also be very boring). I owned a i30N and that car was just a blast to drive in. It wasn't the fastest around the track (which a CTR is, it's actually way faster than a GRY) but it's really fun and engaging to drive. The typical "it will understeer"-comment is highly overrated and written by people who have never driven a modern hot hatch.
But, a GRY and a CTR together cost about the same as a Cayman GT4, and well... the Cayman is better...
For the money of a GRY and a CTR, there is a lot out there
But I agree, FWD hot hatches can be great fun (but they can also be very boring). I owned a i30N and that car was just a blast to drive in. It wasn't the fastest around the track (which a CTR is, it's actually way faster than a GRY) but it's really fun and engaging to drive. The typical "it will understeer"-comment is highly overrated and written by people who have never driven a modern hot hatch.
But, a GRY and a CTR together cost about the same as a Cayman GT4, and well... the Cayman is better...
It depends on where you’re located. In Asia, a brand new GRY and CTR together are roughly half the price of a Cayman GT4. In the US, a new CTR costs $45k, a GR Corolla costs $36k, while a GT4 starts at $106k, still $25k more than the combined price of the hot hatches.
A GT4 is only "better" as an all-out sports car. You can't daily it, and it's nowhere near as practical as a hot hatch.
The FL5 is probably the most practical hot hatch around. The most impressive part, in my book, is that it weighs a mere 1447 kg, which is astonishing for a car of its size (it’s massive and roomy).
In Japan, parts of Asia, and the US, both the GRY/GRC and CTR are absolute bargains. I realize that’s not the case in Europe.
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A used 2022 Cayman is 2x - 3x the price of a 2022 GR Yaris here in Norway at least depending on options. CTR isn't even on sale.
