Next Toyota GR86 May Get Hybrid GR Corolla Engine, Have Less Subaru in It: Report
The Toyota GR86 and Subaru BRZ sports cars may switch to a hybrid version of the engine in the GR Corolla hot hatchback.
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GR86 Speculations for hybrid Turbo engine on mk2 model
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Better article on the topic.
Weight of hybrid said to be 1350kg so 70kg over mk1?
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Weight of hybrid said to be 1350kg so 70kg over mk1?
Does the 2025 Toyota GR86 Deserve a Hybrid I-3?
An interesting rumor out of Japan has the GR86 going a very different direction for its next generation.
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I'd take this with a pinch of salt until something is officially released from Toyota. Whilst hybrid power could be the way forward for the next generation, 2025 seems too soon when not all the rest of the world is pushing for electrification like the UK and EU. I think that they could milk the current model for a few more years in other major markets like the US with just a few tweaks.
For me, I'd rather stick with the current car, as prefer the simplicity than go hybrid / auto. I know that one day I won't be able to buy a petrol / manual anymore, but by then I'm hoping that someone would have released the next great drivers car whether it be electric (Caterham Project V looks promising) or could hydrogen engines take off (GR Yaris H2)?
For me, I'd rather stick with the current car, as prefer the simplicity than go hybrid / auto. I know that one day I won't be able to buy a petrol / manual anymore, but by then I'm hoping that someone would have released the next great drivers car whether it be electric (Caterham Project V looks promising) or could hydrogen engines take off (GR Yaris H2)?
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I suspect the 2030 deadline will be pushed back as the public are not buying EV in the expected numbers for various reasons. VW have said they are reducing the production target and pausing production in some plants. EV isn't taking off as they expected and those that do buy can end up annoyed as new, better and cheaper cars are getting introduced monthly - so how long do you wait before buying a newer model with bigger ranges?
A recent report checked used prices and found the EVs had lost large amounts due to them now being outdated. That would be a concern for me. I worked in computing and remember setting up a room of PCs for £30k and a year later it was half that price. If this happens with EVs then why should I spend £40k on a new car when it loses half in a few years. I would prefer a hybrid.
Its a tough decision for hard working people to spend £40k on a new car. It doesn't matter for the well off.
A recent report checked used prices and found the EVs had lost large amounts due to them now being outdated. That would be a concern for me. I worked in computing and remember setting up a room of PCs for £30k and a year later it was half that price. If this happens with EVs then why should I spend £40k on a new car when it loses half in a few years. I would prefer a hybrid.
Its a tough decision for hard working people to spend £40k on a new car. It doesn't matter for the well off.
I think a big problem with electric cars other than range and lack of infrastructure in the U.K. is the residual value. Read reports of electric/hybrid cars being written off when they need new batteries. At less than 8 years old.
I would never consider buying a used electric car.
I would never consider buying a used electric car.
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I was an EV convert after working with Tesla for around 10 years and running a BMW i3s for a couple of years as a company car but the infrastructure changed my mind.. we’re in a shocking state here, especially in the north so I’ve gone full circle and ordered the GR
Saw an ad last night for the new Polestar 3.. Check it out.. The starting price is surely a pi55 take
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I was an EV convert after working with Tesla for around 10 years and running a BMW i3s for a couple of years as a company car but the infrastructure changed my mind.. we’re in a shocking state here, especially in the north so I’ve gone full circle and orders the GR
Saw an ad last night for the new Polestar 3.. Check it out.. The starting price is surely a pi55 take
Just had a look… OMG! The GR86 is a bargain compared to the price of new cars now. My dream car would be the new M3 Touring but it’s £100k+ with a few options added.
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Exactly... The Polestar 3 is streets ahead of the regular Polestar in terms of looks but the price... how the hell do they think that Joe Public is going to afford these cars??
It’s not attainable for the average person. I still can’t see that electric is the future, I wonder if hydrogen is the way?
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There is a real glut of electric cars for sale at the moment. Lots of stuff coming off lease, ex company and business owner cars coming to the second hand market and private buyers not prepared to buy at the current prices. I think there will be a big adjustment coming on stuff like Taycans, in fact some stuff has had big drops already. Could be some good deals out there in 6 months or so, but I still think private buyers will be put off.
I think that it will happen, but the switch from petrol / hybrid to electric will take longer for the private market.
I think that it will happen, but the switch from petrol / hybrid to electric will take longer for the private market.
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Over here several companies have started with selling EVs with a battery test. Currently the results don't weigh heavily on residuals, but my prediction is that slowly the state of the battery will overtake the importance of mileage.
If residuals drop, that great for buying second hand? But with a good result from the battery test please - big difference between a battery that was charged mostly to 80%, sparingly fast charged and never depleted below 10%, vs a battery constantly fastcharged to 100% and often left completely depleted....
This is part of the big battery legistlation coming from the EU, being able to read out vital battery stats from the BMS
If residuals drop, that great for buying second hand? But with a good result from the battery test please - big difference between a battery that was charged mostly to 80%, sparingly fast charged and never depleted below 10%, vs a battery constantly fastcharged to 100% and often left completely depleted....
This is part of the big battery legistlation coming from the EU, being able to read out vital battery stats from the BMS
You will just get the 'Havana effect'. If there is not a shift in affordability, people will hang on to cars longer.
It will happen though, as with all new technology it starts off expensive, then when its refined and able to be reliably produced cheaper, the market will be flooded. We aren't far away from that stage, the MG4 is £27k and bargain bucket Dacia are releasing their first EV next year.
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I suspect that most people use an electric car for local running about. I don't know the data but I guess that most could manage with say 150 to 200 miles between charging. If charged at home that would do me nicely as I have solar panels. If the batteries do last a long time now as the fully charged team say then buying a second hand EV could be a good deal for most once the first buyer has taken the big hit. I think ZN8 is correct. Buy a used car and keep it till it drops. You can probably do that better with the few moving parts an EV has up to petrol car that has many parts that start to need replacing after say 10 years. Someone in middle age could buy a nice used car that could last 20-30 years and possibly see them out especially if replacement batteries are affordable and easy to fit.
Isn't the GRY and 86 both looking like a real bargain as long as you realised the basic nature in places when buying.
Isn't the GRY and 86 both looking like a real bargain as long as you realised the basic nature in places when buying.
Some added notes:
- Most EV's are very roomy inside, meaning that people may be looking at a too large model like for like when comparing to ICE. E.g. a Kia EV6 GT is in the same class as a AudiRS3 RS7 in terms of space, performance and even weight. But costs near enough half of that...
- Batteries last long if some due care is taken - same as with an ICE.
- Mentioned MG4 is a very good car, if people would care to drive it they would be in for a surprise if they expect it to be a Golf 1.6.... too bad the brand is owned by a non-democratic state party.
- There is a lack of cheap small EV cars but they are coming, just like with current car tech, there is a trickle down...
- Most EV's are very roomy inside, meaning that people may be looking at a too large model like for like when comparing to ICE. E.g. a Kia EV6 GT is in the same class as a Audi
- Batteries last long if some due care is taken - same as with an ICE.
- Mentioned MG4 is a very good car, if people would care to drive it they would be in for a surprise if they expect it to be a Golf 1.6.... too bad the brand is owned by a non-democratic state party.
- There is a lack of cheap small EV cars but they are coming, just like with current car tech, there is a trickle down...
