Nurburgring Advice

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I’m setting off on a bit of a tour around Europe in the GR86 from Sunday, and we’re staying for a couple of nights near the Nurburgring so I can do a lap. Any advice for a circuit newbie? I intend to take it steady as it will be right at the start of the trip and we’re then heading to Slovenia. I understand you’re meant to keep to the right to allow faster cars (that will be most of them!) to pass, but any other tips from those that have been there?
 
I've done about 7-8 trips to the ring, but not YET taken the GR86. I did a trip with the GT86 (and Seat Ibiza, MX-5, Alfa Mito QV, Saab 9-5, Volvo Polestar and Alfa Romeo Stelvio) and they were all great.
Always drive 8/10, keep your eyes on the rear view mirror. For a first time I would try and plan in an afternoon / evening tourist session (normally from about 5:30 to 7:30) as they tend to be a lot quieter. Weekends can be full of queues and track closures. Stick to the racing line where you can, as the grip is better and avoid it entirely (the whole track) in the rain.
I often find it's good to spend a couple of hours wandering around the car parks or heading off to find the spectating spots out in the forest.
Good spot here, close to the Cockpit Bistro for the obligatory schnitzel or currywurst
https://maps.app.goo.gl/DzimDB1SXGjB6Tw6A

Here's a lap from the Polestar (a hellova a car)

Good luck - you'll love it - I'm trying to get back there this year myself
 
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Thanks Chopper. I’ve said to my other half to keep an eye on her door mirror to warn me if she’s sees anything coming. Where we’re staying is a short walk from a section of the track so we’ll pop along and watch from there in the morning. The circuit is open for laps that evening so hopefully it won’t be too busy.
 
I’m setting off on a bit of a tour around Europe in the GR86 from Sunday, and we’re staying for a couple of nights near the Nurburgring so I can do a lap. Any advice for a circuit newbie? I intend to take it steady as it will be right at the start of the trip and we’re then heading to Slovenia. I understand you’re meant to keep to the right to allow faster cars (that will be most of them!) to pass, but any other tips from those that have been there?
Do you have much tracking experience? I've done a few track days myself and have days' worth of Assetto Corsa time on Nords but I personally would be inclined to either rent a car for it or ride along. I'm not prepared to lose my 86.

Then again, I'm overly cautious. Just my 5p.
 
Do you have much tracking experience? I've done a few track days myself and have days' worth of Assetto Corsa time on Nords but I personally would be inclined to either rent a car for it or ride along. I'm not prepared to lose my 86.

Then again, I'm overly cautious. Just my 5p.
Apart from a couple of motorbike track days about 20 years ago I’ve never driven on a circuit.
After watching Chopper’s video I think I’ll probably just keep to the right most of the time as the fast stuff seems to appear from nowhere!
The forecast for that region isn’t looking too great over the next few days, if it’s raining I’ll give it a miss.
 
Thanks Chopper. I’ve said to my other half to keep an eye on her door mirror to warn me if she’s sees anything coming. Where we’re staying is a short walk from a section of the track so we’ll pop along and watch from there in the morning. The circuit is open for laps that evening so hopefully it won’t be too busy.
If you don't end up on track, then some of the local roads around there are excellent. The L92 between Nurburg and Adenau is one. Of course, it's Germany, the road surface is very good.
 
If you don't end up on track, then some of the local roads around there are excellent. The L92 between Nurburg and Adenau is one. Of course, it's Germany, the road surface is very good.
I’m not sure which road we came from Luxembourg on, I was following Google Maps, but it was certainly a beaut. Lovely sweeping bends and as you say, perfectly surfaced. I find the GR86 ride a bit choppy back on our atrocious uk roads but it’s super smooth here!
 
Ok, I’ve had the same „issue“ when I took a good friend there for his first time. He is a pretty good driver, but had zero experience on the Ring. He did a few things right:
1.) he understood my advice about Touristenfahrten: „it’s a warzone out there, and you’re not a soldier yet“. If you have no idea about the track - and you won’t until you’ve spent at least 2 full days training - you will be just a dangerous obstacle to most of the other participants. And people don’t have much patience with obstacles. Having your gf watch her mirror is NOT a strategy!
2.) he rented a car there. Special insurance, cage, suspension, tyres etc are set up for the ring. Know that wear-and-tear on your street car is calculated ~10 to 20x of usual street wear. Tires, brakes, rotors, suspension, everything suffers once you get going. Do you really want to do that to your baby?
3.) he hired an instructor from that rental company for day one / the first few laps. That‘s the safest, fastest, and most efficient way to learn the track. He was even fortunate that on his scheduled instructor day, it was pouring raining. Which meant he had the track pretty much for himself, speeds were much lower, and he learned the rain line immediately. All together, that gave him the precise amount of respect(!), and also confidence for the upcoming laps on his own.
4.) After the first 5-10 laps, he started to not be afraid anymore. We then did 2 full days with Hyundai two days later, on a closed course, segmented, in small groups of 5 cars, lead-follow the instructor. That‘s when your aha-moment kicks in.

In my opinion, this is the only way Nordschleife should be tackled. Expensive, yes. Efficient, absolutely. Safe, yes. Not getting on anybody‘s nerves, for sure. Enjoy your vacay in Slovenia with an unharmed car!
 
Don't. Take a ring taxi.

I've been going on and off for the last 30 odd years - probably done hundred of laps - and it's chaos now compared to "the good old days" When going to the N24 I don't even bother getting there a week before like I used to for the thrill of the lap.

Back in the late 90s you could just pootle round at your own pace and feel comfortable. These days everyone on the Nordschleife seems to be auditioning for "Drive to Survive".

If you really want to go round, go on a dry morning (watch out for damp low patches under the trees) when it's less busy. Have one eye on the rear view mirror and don't try to impress anyone with speed.

But that's just me being risk averse in old age :ROFLMAO:
 
If you're going to be going round as a true tourist, i.e. not pushing at all, I'd say go for it. It's an incredible experience to drive. Keep right, keep checking mirrors (as driver this is your responsibility), indicate for faster cars. If you're there in the next few days its weekday evening opening, which should be quieter; park up in the field parking area across from the Diner and see how the queue is flowing, you'll see how busy (or not) it is.

There's a few vids on YT around driving as a novice, too. There is risk, understand the risk, but have fun and enjoy it, thousands of others do it just the same way each year.
 
If you don't end up on track, then some of the local roads around there are excellent. The L92 between Nurburg and Adenau is one. Of course, it's Germany, the road surface is very good.
I mean, the surface of L92 may indeed be fantastic, but "it's Germany, the road surface is very good" just isn't sound reasoning. Plenty of neglected road surfaces in Germany.
 
Ok, I’ve had the same „issue“ when I took a good friend there for his first time. He is a pretty good driver, but had zero experience on the Ring. He did a few things right:
1.) he understood my advice about Touristenfahrten: „it’s a warzone out there, and you’re not a soldier yet“. If you have no idea about the track - and you won’t until you’ve spent at least 2 full days training - you will be just a dangerous obstacle to most of the other participants. And people don’t have much patience with obstacles. Having your gf watch her mirror is NOT a strategy!
2.) he rented a car there. Special insurance, cage, suspension, tyres etc are set up for the ring. Know that wear-and-tear on your street car is calculated ~10 to 20x of usual street wear. Tires, brakes, rotors, suspension, everything suffers once you get going. Do you really want to do that to your baby?
3.) he hired an instructor from that rental company for day one / the first few laps. That‘s the safest, fastest, and most efficient way to learn the track. He was even fortunate that on his scheduled instructor day, it was pouring raining. Which meant he had the track pretty much for himself, speeds were much lower, and he learned the rain line immediately. All together, that gave him the precise amount of respect(!), and also confidence for the upcoming laps on his own.
4.) After the first 5-10 laps, he started to not be afraid anymore. We then did 2 full days with Hyundai two days later, on a closed course, segmented, in small groups of 5 cars, lead-follow the instructor. That‘s when your aha-moment kicks in.

In my opinion, this is the only way Nordschleife should be tackled. Expensive, yes. Efficient, absolutely. Safe, yes. Not getting on anybody‘s nerves, for sure. Enjoy your vacay in Slovenia with an unharmed car!

Quite a bit of scare mongering there. It's not THAT hard on the car. My GT86 was still on the original tyres and brakes (inc. pads) after three years commuting, two track days and a few laps of the 'ring. I agree it's not like it used to be when I first went about 15 years ago.
Like I suggested, try and find an evening open session and enjoy your lap. Don't forget to get the boot lid sticker
 
We did a lap, really enjoyed it! It was fairly busy and I think I was looking in my mirrors as much as the circuit but it was a great experience. As advised, I kept to the right, indicated if someone was a bit hesitant getting past and drove at my own pace. We couldn’t believe the pace of some of the other cars, especially the ring taxis, very impressive. And it stayed dry, I would have given it a miss if it had been wet. I was probably the slowest car out there but the GR86 felt great.
Thanks for the advice everyone, we’ve got a 470 mile drive to Austria today and then on to Lake Bled in Slovenia.
 
Hey I thought I'd add my piece to this, I traveled to Germany on Wednesday specifically to attend the Touristenfahrten on Thursday evening. After virtually experiencing this track for 20 years it has been something I've wanted to do for some time. The weather was looking dubious in the predicted forecast but I thought that might make it a generally quieter experience. This was an evening session and I spent some of the day by Brünnchen up to the Karussell, had the chance to see a few interesting things, a GT86 GRMN and Audi Nuvolari being the standouts for me :)

I took the GR86 out a bit after the initial rush of cars, I had the track to myself for much of the time, I indicated right and kept out of the way when other cars did show up. I put in three laps and can confidently say I was probably the slowest car there, which I was fine with, I wasn't a contender I was a tourist. The car was an utter joy and felt at home there, I would definitely go back, perhaps after some tuition to get more from the experience.
 

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I probably should have waited for the initial rush to die down as it was fairly busy on my one and only lap. However, it was pretty awesome to see the speed some cars were taking the corners from up close. I kept to the right if I saw anything coming up behind, I probably let a few too many past really!
But like you, I wasn’t trying to prove anything and was mindful that it was only the second day of our two week trip. We had a brilliant drive through the Dolomites on Friday and then up the Stelvio pass yesterday, on to the French Alps tomorrow.
The GR86 has been brilliant on the whole trip, comfortable on the steadier parts and then coming into its own on the twisty roads. And as has been already mentioned, the generally smooth, pot hole free roads over here in Europe are very welcome 😬
 
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