GR Yaris (Gen 2) Fuelling Your GR

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Having read a little about the engines on the GR Yaris and the fuel that is advised to be used in them, I filled up this morning and was in a little quandary.
Having started to fill up with Tesco Momentum, I noticed that it has a reduced ethanol content - 5%, over the standard unleaded's 10%.
Momentum is 99 octane but what should we prioritise? Ethanol or octane, and why?
 
Octane is what you want. From what I've read, 10% ethanol was only recently added to standard fuel, mainly for "eco" reasons and nothing to do with performance. It can also degrade rubber parts in older car fuel systems so they should avoid this and use lower ethanol content fuel.

I use Momentum for every fill up of my GRY.

Disclaimer: I barely know what I'm taking about most of the time so take with a pinch of salt, but I'm sure someone will be along shortly to correct me in that case 😄
 
For ours turbo-charged, hi-compression, power-dense GRYs:
- the lower ethanol (ideally zero) the better! Mainly because ethanol hygroscopy and tendency to attack plastics /rubber /gaskets;
- the higher the octane the better, at least 98 RON
 
Ok, so that brings me on to my next question ( even though it may be clear I have no idea what I am talking about);
Given the Yaris engine has on occasion sent con rods through the block, it is my understanding that a high ethanol content in your fuel reduces the likelihood of this happening, particularly on a tuned engine - is this understanding correct and if it is, as the state of tune increases on an engine is it wise to increase ethanol?
 
Ethanol is awesome if your engine is tuned for it.
Some countries like Brazil run their cars on 90+ ethanol and I don't think they get different fuel lines etc. could be wrong but the Aussie built commodore they imported didn't anyway.

I have played with am E30 mixture in my GR Yaris, for around 10,000km. I didn't check LTFT but it used around 10% more fuel which roughly checked out. (E85 generally uses 30-40% more).

The car felt way, way better all around.
 
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I’d say all modern cars are fine with ethanol. Older cars had the issues as they weren’t designed with ethanol in mind. You can even get VW’s around the world with flexfuel and France sells E85.
 
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Technically, petrol in the UK (and wider Europe) is sold meeting a single standard (EN 228) which defines two distinct fuel types, but confusingly these don't relate to octane, which is how fuels are commonly differentiated at the retail pump, but by ethanol content.

Fuel with 10% ethanol, E10, is designed for all modern vehicles, with 5% ethanol being intended for older vehicles which may have issues with the higher ethanol blend. It is assumed that for all but really old classics E5 is benign, but this is debated in some quarters.

In practice, in much of Europe that means that ‘super premium’ 97+ RON products are going to be E5 and the ‘normal’ stuff will be E10, but you will see countries where this varies.

Your car will run fine on any fuel, but obviously higher resistance to knock is desirable. This means higher octane.

Now consider that ethanol itself has a very high octane rating, something like 109 RON iirc, and think what that means for quality of the other 90% in a 95 RON E10 mix…

Ethanol also has a lower calorific value than petrol so there is less energy in it (and therefore less that can be extracted to do work), which is why the consumption will be higher to get the same performance as @SckSqzBngBlo says above.

On the positive side, ethanol has a very high latent heat of vaporisation which means it helps keep cylinders cooler during combustion, the main reason high power builds commonly target a high ethanol fuel blend because it allows for more boost.

Complicated stuff, but with the standard ECU and fuel system I’d stick to the highest octane you can get your hands on, and in Europe that will generally be the ‘super premium’ E5 mix.

Personally, I almost always fill up with Aral’s 102 RON which is of course E5.
 
"On the positive side, ethanol has a very high latent heat of vaporisation which means it helps keep cylinders cooler during combustion, the main reason high power builds commonly target a high ethanol fuel blend because it allows for more boost".

The main benefit of using an ethanol blend especially with direct injection.

In theory using any more than a 10% ethanol blend would require an ECU tune to enrichen the AF ratio, but people seem to be running E20-E30 blends and getting away with it.
 
"On the positive side, ethanol has a very high latent heat of vaporisation which means it helps keep cylinders cooler during combustion, the main reason high power builds commonly target a high ethanol fuel blend because it allows for more boost".

The main benefit of using an ethanol blend especially with direct injection.

In theory using any more than a 10% ethanol blend would require an ECU tune to enrichen the AF ratio, but people seem to be running E20-E30 blends and getting away with it.
Yeah, there will be a limit on how much enrichment the standard ECU will allow, but I wouldn't like to be the one trying to find what it is with those higher ethanol blends!
 
I found at E15 in 99ron plus 2 points of octane booster as a test, there was no 'advance until knock' logic at play at all on the ECU. You will need to command a new timing number with ecutek / syvecs until knock is detected, the ECU logic will then back it off but not advance it. You would have to datalog for knock on 95 to see if it learns down timing on stock ECU. That would be the delta in timing when swapping to 99 if indeed there is one on a stock car.
 
each to each own (I'm not racing my vehicles) but in my world: Ethanol content = bad, especially for classic cars, bikes, boats that stands still through the winter season - obvs considering the percs of the long winter in Norway: cold and filled with moisture. Once again, ethanol may be amazing for modern racing! 👍
 
Yeah, there will be a limit on how much enrichment the standard ECU will allow, but I wouldn't like to be the one trying to find what it is with those higher ethanol blends!
I wasn't worried lol. The factory fuel system as some headroom - look at the remap crowd without fuel upgrades for example.
I'm not sure what the STFT limit is though, and yes the extra timing won't be added but the butt Dyno confirms E30 mix is awesome. Whether it goes bang eventually is anyone's guess but I have a hunch it's just fine.
I went back to using 98 pump from BP or Shell because it only gets driven every 4 to 6 weeks now.
 
Does anyone on here think that fuel and state of tunes has anything to do with these engine failures?
 
Yes I do.
And I know it then seems silly to experiment with Ethanol mixes.
But my car is stock. No intakes, exhausts, remaps etc.
Edit2. I also think that they need to be driven properly. I.e not loading up boost from low rpm in 5th and 6th gear. Even 4th gear. I tend to drop it down until I'm at around 3krpm before loading it up.
 
Does anyone on here think that fuel and state of tunes has anything to do with these engine failures?
No.

If any fuel is compliant with the prevailing standard - i.e. not contaminated or degraded due to age etc. - then it shouldn't have any bearing on engine reliability as any variance in it will be well within the ECU's ability to adapt timing, boost etc. strategies.

Obviously, if the fuel is 'bad' or there is a problem with an injector or something then all bets are off.
 
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South Africa for example would be a stand out cluster of failures if fuel mix variance was the root cause. If this is turning into a what blows up engines thread rather than how does the GR Yaris react to 95 Vs 99 ron fuel thread then it's going to derail quick because noone here has data.
 
No.

If any fuel is compliant with the prevailing standard - i.e. not contaminated or degraded due to age etc. - then it shouldn't have any bearing on engine reliability as any variance in it will be well within the ECU's ability to adapt timing, boost etc. strategies.

Obviously, if the fuel is 'bad' or there is a problem with an injector or something then all bets are off.
But how about a tuned cars ability to deal with those variables? Particularly with timing adjustments?
 
But how about a tuned cars ability to deal with those variables? Particularly with timing adjustments?
With Ecutek I understand that the ECU retains all the OEM protection strategies even after a remap so I would say so.

With other remaps, who knows?

And obviously standalone systems like Syvecs and MoTeC are a completely different boiling vessel of pisces.