GR Yaris Weight of Wheels

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Saturday afternoon, a selection of wheels, some fancy new calibrated parcel scales, let’s check and make sure the marketing for the wheels matches up to reality. 🙈

Edited as I forgot the 17x8.


15x6.5 +45 from the 1990s

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17x8 +38 - gloss white

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18x8.5 +45 - gloss gunmetal

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18x9.5 +45 -gloss silver

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18x10 +25 - Bright II - diamond cut

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18x10.5 +22 - gloss white

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70mm lip

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For perspective, an OG 18x8.5 TE37

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As far as i know you need a DTC Document. Is something special in Switzerland. Usually the Main Importer of a brand make the Document. I don't know how they make it and what Tests they have to do with the Wheels.
 
Huusi said:
As far as i know you need a DTC Document. Is something special in Switzerland. Usually the Main Importer of a brand make the Document. I don't know how they make it and what Tests they have to do with the Wheels.
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From this organisation?

Home | DTC Dynamic Test Center AG

The DTC – your point of contact for developments, tests, analyses and training in the vehicle and aircraft safety, vehicle engineering and accident analysis sectors.
www.dtc-ag.ch www.dtc-ag.ch
 
DesmondWheelsEU said:
I picked it up dead cheap for that reason. Wheel hoarding obsession 🙈



TÜV ?
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Are these wheels TÜV approved (Teilegutachten, Festigkeitsgutachten or any document of that type..)?
If so I'd definitely keep them on my radar.
 
Florens said:
Are these wheels TÜV approved (Teilegutachten, Festigkeitsgutachten or any document of that type..)?
If so I'd definitely keep them on my radar.
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Not yet.

(long story)

I have been in discussions with TÜV for a year now, investigating what is required to get some form of approval, to allow the relevant customers to be able to use the wheels.

I initially asked to get type approval, but as none of the wheels match in size to factory wheels, that wasn't possible.

I then looked into getting strength testing certification for the 18" range, and they stated that I would be required to submit 46 sample wheels, plus testing fees.

I worked out that I would need to sell 1,550 sets of wheels, just to make that investment back, and scrapped the idea.

Since then I've needed to work out what sizes would likely be popular in the TÜV region to focus on, in order to get to a happy medium of samples and testing fees that I know makes business sense.

If you're aware of a method of approval that allows German and other citizens that require TÜV inspections, without this outlay, then I am all ears.
 
DesmondWheelsEU said:
Not yet.

(long story)

I have been in discussions with TÜV for a year now, investigating what is required to get some form of approval, to allow the relevant customers to be able to use the wheels.

I initially asked to get type approval, but as none of the wheels match in size to factory wheels, that wasn't possible.

I then looked into getting strength testing certification for the 18" range, and they stated that I would be required to submit 46 sample wheels, plus testing fees.

I worked out that I would need to sell 1,550 sets of wheels, just to make that investment back, and scrapped the idea.

Since then I've needed to work out what sizes would likely be popular in the TÜV region to focus on, in order to get to a happy medium of samples and testing fees that I know makes business sense.

If you're aware of a method of approval that allows German and other citizens that require TÜV inspections, without this outlay, then I am all ears.
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The only method that is possibly a tad cheaper is to get the wheels tested by TÜV Austria (A subsidiary of our TÜV that is seemingly a bit more flexible. The certificates are recognized here as well.)
What you've described here is the unfortunate reality of what anyone has to go through to enter the German market.
I'm not speaking for all GR Yaris owners here but I'd think that a 18x9 ET45 would be very popular. ProTrack Wheels is selling a bunch of wheels in that size to a lot of German owners that like tracking their car. Other sizes I would personally take into consideration fo the Yaris are stock size 8x18 ET45 and perhaps the 8.5x18 ET45 of the GRMN wheels.
If you do end up deciding to go for it I would strongly recommend going for a Teilegutachten (Parts certificate, it's inbetween a type approval and a simple strength certificate) as that really takes the difficulty out of getting the parts homologated on our cars and an Allgemeine Betriebserlaubnis (Type Approval..) isn't compatible with other tuning components that might affect the performance (see coilovers which a lot of people are running) so people would have to have their car inspected by an Engineer anyway.
If you do end up going that route, please register my interest for an 18x9 ET45 set :)
 
Florens said:
The only method that is possibly a tad cheaper is to get the wheels tested by TÜV Austria (A subsidiary of our TÜV that is seemingly a bit more flexible. The certificates are recognized here as well.)
What you've described here is the unfortunate reality of what anyone has to go through to enter the German market.
I'm not speaking for all GR Yaris owners here but I'd think that a 18x9 ET45 would be very popular. ProTrack Wheels is selling a bunch of wheels in that size to a lot of German owners that like tracking their car. Other sizes I would personally take into consideration fo the Yaris are stock size 8x18 ET45 and perhaps the 8.5x18 ET45 of the GRMN wheels.
If you do end up deciding to go for it I would strongly recommend going for a Teilegutachten (Parts certificate, it's inbetween a type approval and a simple strength certificate) as that really takes the difficulty out of getting the parts homologated on our cars and an Allgemeine Betriebserlaubnis (Type Approval..) isn't compatible with other tuning components that might affect the performance (see coilovers which a lot of people are running) so people would have to have their car inspected by an Engineer anyway.
If you do end up going that route, please register my interest for an 18x9 ET45 set :)
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Thanks for the feedback, super useful.

It was TÜV Rheinland I had been in touch with, I know they're all essentially private companies that are distinct from each other, so I will reach out to TÜV Austria and see what they say!

Huusi said:
Yes
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I sent an enquiry this morning, I'll report back when I have news. (y)
 
Huusi said:
Yes
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Florens said:
The only method that is possibly a tad cheaper is to get the wheels tested by TÜV Austria (A subsidiary of our TÜV that is seemingly a bit more flexible. The certificates are recognized here as well.)
What you've described here is the unfortunate reality of what anyone has to go through to enter the German market.
I'm not speaking for all GR Yaris owners here but I'd think that a 18x9 ET45 would be very popular. ProTrack Wheels is selling a bunch of wheels in that size to a lot of German owners that like tracking their car. Other sizes I would personally take into consideration fo the Yaris are stock size 8x18 ET45 and perhaps the 8.5x18 ET45 of the GRMN wheels.
If you do end up deciding to go for it I would strongly recommend going for a Teilegutachten (Parts certificate, it's inbetween a type approval and a simple strength certificate) as that really takes the difficulty out of getting the parts homologated on our cars and an Allgemeine Betriebserlaubnis (Type Approval..) isn't compatible with other tuning components that might affect the performance (see coilovers which a lot of people are running) so people would have to have their car inspected by an Engineer anyway.
If you do end up going that route, please register my interest for an 18x9 ET45 set :)
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Just to keep you guys aware, I sent follow-up enquiries to the organisations this morning, as nobody has responded to my e-mails from 5-weeks ago.
 
DesmondWheelsEU said:
Just to keep you guys aware, I sent follow-up enquiries to the organisations this morning, as nobody has responded to my e-mails from 5-weeks ago.
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Interesting, thanks for the update!
5 weeks without any type of answer shows that these organisations have quite the service mentality ;)
 
Duke said:
Hast du Deutsch geschrieben?

Might make a big difference in terms of their responsiveness...
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As I normally do, I apologise in the first sentence of the e-mail for addressing them in English and not German. A good friend of mine is German and he offered to do translations for me, but companies would always e-mail me back talking to me in English and saying it's normal for them to communicate internationally in English and not to worry about it. Their e-mail signatures always say:

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
with kind regards

I have always had a suspicion that TÜV and similar organisations intentionally like to keep things "in house", so that foreign companies are discouraged from taking business away from native companies.

That's just conjecture, I've no idea if it's true or not.

I sent a follow up e-mail this morning saying as it's been 5-weeks can I assume they're not interested.

If I don't hear anything further I will send an e-mail in a week or two in German and see if that gets a different response.
 
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