GR86 Heel and toe. GT86 Vs GR86

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FRAJ

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I have been struggling to heel and toe effectively in the GR as compared the GT where I did it instinctively. Anyone else mastered it in the new car yet?
It turns out that the accelerator is 10mm further away in the GR which is very noticeable. I currently have both on the drive and was geeky enough to get the ruler out!
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I seem to recall have a cheeky attempt on the accompanied test drive and thinking this could go embarassingly badly being an unfamiliar car but I don't recall making a hash of it.
 
Don't want to start a conspiracy but the demo I did it fine, mine I'm not smoothed yet. Some cars, heel and toe works best when going for it, braking harder, etc. I'm being sensible with run in which is fine as it's way quicker than the old one below 5. Hate hill hold though. Need to find how to turn that off.
 
KobayashiMaru86 said:
Don't want to start a conspiracy but the demo I did it fine, mine I'm not smoothed yet. Some cars, heel and toe works best when going for it, braking harder, etc. I'm being sensible with run in which is fine as it's way quicker than the old one below 5. Hate hill hold though. Need to find how to turn that off.
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I never had hill hold engaged, the light is always on though. When I hard press the pedal the car still moves forward/backwards when I release the brake. Does it only engage on steeper hills?

On topic: purchased the cusco pedal months before delivery but haven't installed it yet. Proper heel/toe after break-in.
 
I had no problem heel and toeing the demo I drove, but I have been doing it for 20 years. All cars take a little time to get into the groove with it, I find, so give it time. I struggled with heel and toeing in the Yaris, but find it a doddle now. My old GT86 had great pedal position for heel and toeing. The GR86 took me 10 minutes of driving to start to get it, which says it isn't bad to me. It really becomes a muscle memory thing. I'll bet after a few weeks you'll have it well sorted.
 
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I've found placement and footwear make a huge difference, but I have big feet so I heel and toe using the side of my big old foot.

As I brake half my foot is breaking the other half can roll and blip the throttle, no heel involved.
 
PVGR said:
I've found placement and footwear make a huge difference, but I have big feet so I heel and toe using the side of my big old foot.

As I brake half my foot is breaking the other half can roll and blip the throttle, no heel involved.
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I'm the same in a size 12. Wore my goretex trainers today and the exta width must've helped. I'm confident I'll get smoother.
 
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I find there to be so little movement on the brake pedal that the pedals are at the wrong height (relative to each other) for it to feel natural. I've barely driven the car yet though so maybe my opinion will change.
 
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KobayashiMaru86 said:
Hate hill hold though. Need to find how to turn that off.
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From the online manual:

Disabling hill-start assist control

1) Park your vehicle in a flat, safelocation. Make sure that the parking brake is securely engaged.
2) Stop the engine by turning the engine switch off.
3) Start the engine and check that the ABS warning light and slip indicator are off.
4) Press and hold the (VSC OFF) switch for approximately 30 seconds.
Check that the TRC OFF and VSC OFF indicators illuminate and then turn off.
5) Within 5 seconds after the indicator lights turn off, release the (VSC OFF) switch. Then, press the (VSC OFF) switch again within 2 seconds of releasing it.
The hill-start assist control ON indicator
will turn off and then illuminate.
6) Turn the engine switch off.
7) Start the engine again and check that the hill-start assist control ON indicator turns off.

Hill-start assist control will be disabled.
To enable hill-start assist control, perform steps 1 through 7 again.
 
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I have size 12s and have been using the side of my foot rolling off the brake pedal which is probably not the way most people do it. For me, it worked well for everyday driving and lighter braking. I have ordered the Cusco pedal extension from Fensport, and am expecting a revelation at that price!
 
I find heel/toe very difficult in the GR86; have been heel/toeing for 20 years.

IMO the accelerator pedel is too low or the brake pedal is to high.

The (free) fix is to adjust the break pedal lower (and the switch too). There are a few discussions on other forums. Basically loosen the lock nut, remove the pin, twist the cleat 3-4 turns closer to the firewall, lock up again and install the pin. Then adjust the switch accordignly. This is the solution.

Alternatively, raise the throttle pedel up, for which there are various kits.
 
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I've found it difficult, but then I also found it difficult with the old car too, simply because I'm ham fisted (footed?) and never really mastered it anyway.
 
FRAJ said:
The Cusco pedal has improved it significantly and is an easy bolt on mod. I think it is my technique that needs modding next.
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www.fensport.co.uk

Cusco - Sports Accelerator Pedal Extension- GR86, GT86 & BRZ

Cusco Sports Accelerator Pedal Extension for GR86, GT86 & BRZ Perfect for heel & toe operation, the Cusco accelerator pedal extension is manufactured from stainless steel. Easy installation & supplied with fitting kit.
www.fensport.co.uk www.fensport.co.uk

This one?

Also think there is one that actually moves the pedal closer.
 
garybee said:
I find there to be so little movement on the brake pedal that the pedals are at the wrong height (relative to each other) for it to feel natural. I've barely driven the car yet though so maybe my opinion will change.
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I know what you mean. It's like there is no slack in the brake pedal at all. Noticed this coming from my GRY with not much pad left. It may actually get a little easier when the pads wear a bit.

I also think the right footwear helps in terms of feel. Would recommend driving shoes or racing boots. I always use my racing boots if I'm reviewing a car to get the most feel. Everyone here seems to have massive plates. 🤣 I'm a dainty size 6. My feet are not wide either, so i always have to turn my heel out, but use the side of my foot near the heel to tap the throttle whilst braking.
 
Managed a couple of heel/toe downshifts on this morning's drive and it was actually smoother than my attempts in the GT86. And I have big feet. So maybe just something to get used to and it's probably different for everyone.
 
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