GR86 Video, that confirms, that colour is no factor for build order

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because its said here so many times wrong: In this video you can clearly see, that colour is no factor for build order.
It is NOT like they build the same specs after each other, even the car type is no factor.

They build all the cars at "random"/unknown order.
And its not only one production line...

 
I don't think the above video proves that colour or transmission choice are not a factor in the build order at Subaru factory.

We don't get to see the production queue or how the main body panels are painted and assembled before getting on the line. All it shows is that the production line includes different models and specs that aren't assembled in batches.

The video has been shared and discussed before in the below thread:

 
I don't think the above video proves that colour or transmission choice are not a factor in the build order at Subaru factory.

We don't get to see the production queue or how the main body panels are painted and assembled before getting on the line. All it shows is that the production line includes different models and specs that aren't assembled in batches.

The video has been shared and discussed before in the below thread:


But you can see more than one GR86/BRZ on some scenes.

And if a blue Subaru-Whatever comes after a red BRZ....
 
But you can see more than one GR86/BRZ on some scenes.

And if a blue Subaru-Whatever comes after a red BRZ....
A video showing a few cars being built does not give us an accurate representation of the entire end to end production process.

The Japanese have perfected the manufacturing process and I very much doubt the cars are built to order at the point of an order coming through on the online purchasing system, as it wouldn't be efficient. And no factory will rely on a completely randomised order queue either.

I imagine body parts are manufactured and painted in batches based of assumed/current popularity. So for example Toyota might place an advanced order with Subaru for 50 cars where they assume 15 will be electric blue, 15 will be red, and 5 - 10 in other colours. But if those ratios change due to people placing orders for an oversubscribed paint choice, this would push them back in the production queue a little. Let's not forget that there are a few Subaru and Toyota exclusive paint choices too.

I kept a track of the initial orders for forum users who got an estimated delivery date early on and it seemed to confirm that suspicion, as less popular paint choice had later confirmed orders with earlier delivery dates on the online portal, as opposed to the electric blue cars that were clearly much more popular and caused delivery dates to be pushed back in comparison.

With that said, it appears that there is a bit of a random element to it as Toyota Online team has previously confirmed orders were being put through manually on the factory system, so this could mean work orders were distributed to a few people who did it at a different pace or ordering might not be based on the exact purchase time but done in smaller batches.

Either way, it's all speculation and I don't believe the video proves anything conclusive.
 
for all we know, they just paint them in the same colour in batches, but then they get mixed depending on demand, current part availability, whatever other factors, to keep the production line running. they don't show painting process (from what I saw by quickly scanning through the video).

or maybe they can paint them any colour without switching machinery, so they come as they go 🤷‍♂️
 
for all we know, they just paint them in the same colour in batches, but then they get mixed depending on demand, current part availability, whatever other factors, to keep the production line running. they don't show painting process (from what I saw by quickly scanning through the video).

or maybe they can paint them any colour without switching machinery, so they come as they go 🤷‍♂️
Multistage paint takes time to cure and inspect. There's no way they do this on the same assembly line that probably only takes a day to complete the car.

 
because its said here so many times wrong: In this video you can clearly see, that colour is no factor for build order.
It is NOT like they build the same specs after each other, even the car type is no factor.

They build all the cars at "random"/unknown order.
And its not only one production line...


Regardless of whether it proves anything I found that pretty fascinating to watch, even without being able to understand it, so thanks for sharing.

Also...skip to 23 minutes in and there's a white GR86 being assembled, with dark red interior carpet and seat accents. That looks smart! Is it a special edition we don't get in the UK? It also has no headunit.
 
Multistage paint takes time to cure and inspect. There's no way they do this on the same assembly line that probably only takes a day to complete the car.
Yes, it takes time to dry, but if the number comming in matches the number coming out, there is no delay.
There is just a storage/stock of n cars.

So the dry time only matters at the start or stop of the whole assembly line. (e.g. parts shortage)


I imagine body parts are manufactured and painted in batches based of assumed/current popularity. So for example Toyota might place an advanced order with Subaru for 50 cars where they assume 15 will be electric blue, 15 will be red, and 5 - 10 in other colours. But if those ratios change due to people placing orders for an oversubscribed paint choice, this would push them back in the production queue a little. Let's not forget that there are a few Subaru and Toyota exclusive paint choices too.
Body parts are not painted in batches.
Its like this:

  • Take sheets of steel, press them into their shapes.
  • Do this for ALL parts needed, including the doors.
  • Fill a SMALL stock with these parts for every car type.

When an order is executed, they take the parts, weld them and mount the doors and all other body parts (trunk, hood).
Then the complete body is washed, coated and painted.
After that, the doors are unmounted and receive a code, so you can assign them later to their chassis.
Doors are assembled somewhere different and will rejoin their car, when everything inside is complete.


And no factory will rely on a completely randomised order queue either.
Thats why i added "unknown".
The line has a specific order, by whatever... I'm sure its a mixture of several complex calculations and of course the order list.
Also the delivery dates of parts and current stock matter.

Its also not directly depending on the order how the cars were painted, because of different dry times.



But if those ratios change due to people placing orders for an oversubscribed paint choice, this would push them back in the production queue a little.
This can only be the case, if they run out of paint. Remember: Everything is "arrive right in time", to keep stocks as small as possible.
So if your observation is correct, it will be because they wait for new paint.

Every paint robot can change the paint individually for any car within seconds.


for all we know, they just paint them in the same colour in batches
No, painted chassis are not stocked, this takes to much space.
The components are stocked unpainted.
They get painted after assembly.


With that said, it appears that there is a bit of a random element to it as Toyota Online team has previously confirmed orders were being put through manually on the factory system,
This is the most logical answer. If the guy, who enters/forwards your order has a cigarette, you car may arrive 2 months later...




My commander (3 year old) forced me to watch tons of car assembly videos, from different makes and different times (from the Trabant to Porsche Taycan). Its teh same everywhere:
  1. prebuild parts from steel sheets
  2. assemble the chassis on demand/order
  3. mount doors
  4. paint everything
  5. unmount doors
  6. assemble the car
  7. re-mount doors (usually one the very last things)
  8. Quality controll
Once it reached stage 2. it will be assembled without any delay.
Every car at stage 2 is completely specified, all of its parts are arrived or will arrive in time. Its guarantied to be build completely in the next hours.
The only "way out" is when it does not pass quality controll (bad welding, bad paint, ect).




Sorry for the bad english, i could explain it very well in German.
 
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Regardless of whether it proves anything I found that pretty fascinating to watch, even without being able to understand it, so thanks for sharing.

Also...skip to 23 minutes in and there's a white GR86 being assembled, with dark red interior carpet and seat accents. That looks smart! Is it a special edition we don't get in the UK? It also has no headunit.
This is a car for the Japanese marked.
 
Regardless of whether it proves anything I found that pretty fascinating to watch, even without being able to understand it, so thanks for sharing.

Also...skip to 23 minutes in and there's a white GR86 being assembled, with dark red interior carpet and seat accents. That looks smart! Is it a special edition we don't get in the UK? It also has no headunit.
It is a optional extra in Japan which I wish we can get it in UK as well....

Headunit is also optional extra in Japan market with different choice.
 
I haven't watched the video yet, but if you take the Corolla line in Burnaston, they can change the colour as each car goes through on the line in the paint shop. I've seen the line and the engineer explained exactly how it was done, although it was nearly 2 years ago and I can't remember exactly what he said.

I know the gr86 is at a different 'Subaru' plant, but the production process is likely very similar.
 
I recommend to take a look at https://www.ineak.com/ which provides a good insight in Toyotas mangement system. Given the current topic, the chapter about the production scheduling should be interesting.

I can not tell if this is still up to date because these documents are pretty old and if it works the same way for "our" factory since it is operated by Subaru.

The website states that they paint small batches with the same colour and gives reasons why this is so. It also slightly covers the production order which seems randomized to us but follows a logic of course.
 
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