Recommendations for hybrid family car

Michael Knight said:
I test drove now both 2.0 and 1.8 Hybrid Corolla and actually preferred the driveline of the 1.8. Don't know if its the lighter weight of the car but 2.0 felt heavier (which it is by 70kg). It might be better in road driving but as we drive 90% in the city I prefer the lighter feel of 1.8. In addition, felt like 1.8 was going more with electric power than 2.0, even though it has a smaller battery.
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The 2.0 litre uses an older tech Nickel / metal hydride battery, the 1.8 litre Corolla uses a newer, lighter Lithium battery that charges / discharges quicker. Both will also drive on electric mode at up to 70mph when there is not much load. The 1.8 is good for 60-70mpg in town, which is pretty much unmatched for a car of its size. The 1.8 Corolla is possibly more economical than the Yaris hybrid and is as you say a very refined drivetrain and ride combination. Perfect for these times of very expensive petrol.
 
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Yahonza said:
The 2.0 litre uses an older tech Nickel / metal hydride battery, the 1.8 litre Corolla uses a newer, lighter Lithium battery that charges / discharges quicker. Both will also drive on electric mode at up to 70mph when there is not much load. The 1.8 is good for 60-70mpg in town, which is pretty much unmatched for a car of its size. The 1.8 Corolla is possibly more economical than the Yaris hybrid and is as you say a very refined drivetrain and ride combination. Perfect for these times of very expensive petrol.
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Cheers thanks for this info I didnt know this - then 1.8 sounds like a smarter option!
 
Got the blue 1.8 - Monday we get it home

Like that it is not that common color - white was an option too but we didnt find a good one with needed equipment

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Yahonza said:
The 2.0 litre uses an older tech Nickel / metal hydride battery, the 1.8 litre Corolla uses a newer, lighter Lithium battery that charges / discharges quicker. Both will also drive on electric mode at up to 70mph when there is not much load. The 1.8 is good for 60-70mpg in town, which is pretty much unmatched for a car of its size. The 1.8 Corolla is possibly more economical than the Yaris hybrid and is as you say a very refined drivetrain and ride combination. Perfect for these times of very expensive petrol.
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2.0 Battery is EV-MNR01 (NiMH) 180 modules, 6.5Ah, 216V or 1.404kWh
1.8 Battery is EV-NLR09 (Li-Ion) 56 modules, 3.6Ah, 207V or 0,745kWh

A NiMH Battery weights 25% more for the same capacity, but the 2.0 has almost twice the 1.8 capacity so it must more than double the weigth (about 60Kg extra). I read an interview from the Hybrid Chief Engineer where he stated that they went for the NiMH for the 2.0 because it can handle the extra weight better (more horse power and torque) and they could not simply source enough batteries for the expected production of both engines... At least at the price they'd probably willing to pay for it.

The 2.0 Dynamic Force is a totaly new engine, very compact and light although very complex. It does have a particulate filter, 8 injectors and 2 fuel lines (high and low pressure), uses more air (larger ducts) and more power and torque means bigger transmition parts. The transaxle itself must be bigger to receive a much more powerfull electric MG (80 vs. 53kW). So, more than the engine itself, the hole bigger power system must weight a little more.
 
Must say that I'm impressed on how Corolla Hybrid and its driveline works. Yes the hybrid could be more capable in terms of range and power but it still makes engine quite efficient. Engine stays mostly on the background which leaves driver happily free from making decisions what power source to use. Have done now numerous trips with with 4ltr/100km in short (10-20km) trips equalling 71MPG. And that is without any additional plug in electricity from the net. From engineering point of view I'm impressed how well the hybrid driveline works together. They have had time to fine tune it so well done Toyota!
Corolla is Rather good combo with GR where GR is fire and sportiness whereas Corolla is purely comfort and ease.


As a late observer noticed that Toyota would also offers Pro Ace City Verso which would have been good in terms of space but then again it is not really efficient in terms of fuel usage (not hybrid) and also interior looks more old style.
 
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Did 470km drive with Corolla and full load. Best we managed was 4.6ltr/100km consumption - with less motorway and IC off I believe could have gotten closer to 4ltr/100km.

In city lowest consumption has been 2.7ltr/100km (7km distance) which is again impressive given car was full (5 people).

As comparison - Yesterday 50km drive with GR and it took 10ltr/100km with just one person, and not really pushing..
 
My wife is on her second C-HR. Orange Edition with the 2.0 engine, it is far smoother than the 1.8 which I found very thrashy. She now has Yaris Cross on order as she wanted something smaller but still has a high driving position. Personally I would recommend a C-HR great car and I think good looking.
 
Yogi896 said:
My wife is on her second C-HR. Orange Edition with the 2.0 engine, it is far smoother than the 1.8 which I found very thrashy. She now has Yaris Cross on order as she wanted something smaller but still has a high driving position. Personally I would recommend a C-HR great car and I think good looking.
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Our 1.8 is really smooth - no issues there. Love the lighter feel of that 1.8.
 
Currently averaging 65mpg in the Corolla, with several trips 70+mpg, especially in town. Agree that it is very smooth and quiet - unless you want to push on a bit.

Averaging 33mpg in the GRY, I've almost given up trying to drive it slowly for mpg.
 
Yahonza said:
Currently averaging 65mpg in the Corolla, with several trips 70+mpg, especially in town. Agree that it is very smooth and quiet - unless you want to push on a bit.

Averaging 33mpg in the GRY, I've almost given up trying to drive it slowly for mpg.
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Doing well with the GRY, my average from new is 28.4. Mostly local so nice tight bendy roads and no speed cameras. Also no track exploits.
 
Corolla wagon 1.8 Hybrid. Hands down. :D

efficient, practical, roomy, enough power, it ticks all boxes needed. if you got a GRY for the fun stuff, u'd done searching. I'will take the same approach as you if i have the spare mony and needs. at the moment i am fine with whaiting on my GRY. Good drive with your new blue!

Edit: personally i'd never buy a CUV/SUV or kinda things. a good wagon is more efficient, lighter, better handling, more practical and so on. if you use roof box these points get even worse on an SUV. The XC70 with 5 pott was a brilliant car. but to less efficient, bullet proof and extremely capable though. the Corolla is more lush, but better suited to most lifestyles.
 
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This could be incorrect information but I was speaking to a dealer about the corrolla and apparently the range is getting a hike in power delivered by the electric motor some time in winter 2022. He didn’t mention anything about battery. He said the 2.0 would go to 197bhp though.
 
Yep new model gets power boost.
Did a family trip to Pärnu and full car averaged 4ltr/100km. Now getting in 3-3.5ltr/100km in city driving - normal mode seems to be more efficient than eco.. 🤔
 
The revised 1.8 Corolla will be something like 130+bhp, which seems trivial these days but the current car returns 70+mpg in town/ 60+ motorway. Toyota should be focusing on even better economy, not more power, as petrol prices aren't coming down any time soon.
Michael Knight said:
Yep new model gets power boost.
Did a family trip to Pärnu and full car averaged 4ltr/100km. Now getting in 3-3.5ltr/100km in city driving - normal mode seems to be more efficient than eco.. 🤔
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Eco mode seems to have the engine on more than normal mode, but it will take you up a hill on battery alone. The air conditioning works better in Eco mode - that might be the reason.
 
I feel normal mode suits my driving style better - brisk acceleration and lots of rolling. Eco mode has little too laggy throttle response imho
 
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