Hyundai Ioniq 5 N

[Onehp]

Took a ring taxi with the Hyundai lot over in Germany in the 5N a few weeks ago. Needless to say the drivers there know their craft, and the car was simply sublime. Truth be told the fake gearing stuff fooled me, brilliant car that can certainly be thrown about with the right skill.

Converted from "it's probably just a gimmick" to "I want one" in under 8 minutes

Good to hear your experience. And the 'funny' thing is the sound isn't perfect - objectively speaking, most actual engined cars don't sound so terribly good either from the inside...
The real game changer are the gears feeling so real as if there is a real engine there.

How about the 6N? On some good recordings I've heard, the sound is a step up again and capable of giving goose bumps with a much more 3D soundstage...

 

[Onehp]

So took a car friend out that had also been out with me in the Yaris, on a wet tarmac, and some gravel, drive on very twisty bumpy roads. After half an hour he says 'you know, this is better than the Yaris'. My answer was 'yeah I don't miss it'.

Trundling back on the big road he asked how I got into the 5 N, and I said the gearshifts with engine noise was instrumental as otherwise I can't fully engage with an EV, but not enough because I though the car was too heavy on paper. He answered "yeah we can all be wrong".

FYI

 

[Sekred]

Good try

 

[Michael Knight]

So took a car friend out that had also been out with me in the Yaris, on a wet tarmac, and some gravel, drive on very twisty bumpy roads. After half an hour he says 'you know, this is better than the Yaris'. My answer was 'yeah I don't miss it'.

Trundling back on the big road he asked how I got into the 5 N, and I said the gearshifts with engine noise was instrumental as otherwise I can't fully engage with an EV, but not enough because I though the car was too heavy on paper. He answered "yeah we can all be wrong".

FYI

for me the 5N was too big of a car to really compare with GR Yaris. they're completely different topics in realms of driving.
On bigger track I think it could be fun to drive around but on the roads I thought was too large vehicle.

lately I've been fond of driving around with my A2 that is really small and enjoyable to drive on country roads. its not that fast but its fun car.

 

[Onehp]

His words guys

I'm gonna have to take out a GR Yaris owner friend and see what he thinks

 

[Onehp]

for me the 5N was too big of a car to really compare with GR Yaris. they're completely different topics in realms of driving.
On bigger track I think it could be fun to drive around but on the roads I thought was too large vehicle.

lately I've been fond of driving around with my A2 that is really small and enjoyable to drive on country roads. its not that fast but its fun car.

Did you take it out on your rally roads? It's really uncanny how it feels all it's size driving more or less normally and then when pushing on the very same roads I've done countless times in both, the 5 N really doesn’t feel like a big or heavy car...

Not 'comparing', I know exactly the weaknesses and strenghts of both, I just think that, like myself did, many underestimate how good the 5 N is as a road rally tool.

 

[Michael Knight]

Did you take it out on your rally roads? It's really uncanny how it feels all it's size driving more or less normally and then when pushing on the very same roads I've done countless times in both, the 5 N really doesn’t feel like a big or heavy car...

Not 'comparing', I know exactly the weaknesses and strenghts of both, I just think that, like myself did, many underestimate how good the 5 N is as a road rally tool.

I'm usually doing the car test drive on same strech of road to compare them. its smallish country road but not rally stage as such. but it has undulations and tights corners with some rougher sections but its paved road.

 

[speeddemon666]

I guess we might all have subjective feelings about what floats our boats in the automotive world, but it does help if we are going to draw comparisons that they are comparisons. I think we can safely say that the only thing we can say is similar here is that they both have four wheels.
You are driving a simulator!

 

[RichM]

I'm very impressed by the 5N, but at an extra 720mm long, and 135mm wide it's too big for my use case (country roads, parking spaces and my garage). Price point is also not like for like. I could get more excited about something of a Alpine A290 dimensions. And at a comparable price point.

 

[Onehp]

You are driving a simulator!

In a way, yes. In another way, it's very real. Did you know, that when you listen to music in the car, the musicians are not in the car? Of course you do, but you never thought of it as something that would stop your from enjoying what you're listening to. And if you did not enjoy the music, you blame a bad stereo or recording.

It's the same here, one minute in and me nor any passenger think about it being simulated or programmed, we just enjoy driving/the ride. Just like you usually don't think about the throttle, injectors, turbo, valves, etc being programmed on your car.... Well actually I did do that on the GRY, as I was annoyed at small inconsistencies and varying lag etc and spent quite some time logging and looking at screens at the results. So in practice it was more electronic to me, ironically.

In the end they are all driving tools, and in this topic just sharing the 5 N is pretty epic, too.

 

[Onehp]

Some context. An US owner put his 5 N on a hub dyno and got 640 awhp. Translated to combusion engine terms for an twin turbo V8 awd car with ~16% driveline loss, that's equivalent to 760 crank hp.
In "third gear", the figure was 545 awhp (below), translating to 650 crank hp equivalent. This figure will grow in higher gears as the simulated torque curve fits under a higher ungeared motor curve.

So while the car is 2,2 tonne, even with gears, this is still a sub 12s 1/4 mile car with most time lost at the standing start vs ev mode.

To get this pace from a GR Yaris, you need 450hp+ and need to spend quite a lot to get it reliable. With the 5 N you get a great handling car (full stop), spacious, comfortable, warrantied, low running cost (except tyres...) and great lag free "ice nostalgic" geared performance. No need for engine warming or worrying about money shifts. Now for 50k in UK, I barely payed more, more than a year ago....

Goes some way in explaining why I'm enjoying my "geared" driver's car so much...

 

[Onehp]

Oh to add, with EVs now hitting 3000hp, for the road I'm already thinking this is really upper limit power of what one wants to be able enjoy driving....

 

[speeddemon666]

Some context. An US owner put his 5 N on a hub dyno and got 640 awhp. Translated to combusion engine terms for an twin turbo V8 awd car with ~16% driveline loss, that's equivalent to 760 crank hp.
In "third gear", the figure was 545 awhp (below), translating to 650 crank hp equivalent. This figure will grow in higher gears as the simulated torque curve fits under a higher ungeared motor curve.

So while the car is 2,2 tonne, even with gears, this is still a sub 12s 1/4 mile car with most time lost at the standing start vs ev mode.

To get this pace from a GR Yaris, you need 450hp+ and need to spend quite a lot to get it reliable. With the 5 N you get a great handling car (full stop), spacious, comfortable, warrantied, low running cost (except tyres...) and great lag free "ice nostalgic" geared performance. No need for engine warming or worrying about money shifts. Now for 50k in UK, I barely payed more, more than a year ago....

Goes some way in explaining why I'm enjoying my "geared" driver's car so much...

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But 'it', is driving you!

 

[Onehp]

But 'it', is driving you!

Lets try again.

It's an M turned N car that happens to have an electrical driveline and made by a brand that let an M godfather have his way.

Are my inputs translated to a programme? Yes. Are they on a GR car? Yes, they are also. The throttle pedals are electronic, the engine management is electronic. The injectors, spark plugs, valve timing and throttle are all programmed and governed electronically.
On the GR Yaris the turbo recirc valve and wastegate are electronically controlled and programmed. And the front rear power distribution is electronically controlled. On the auto box versions, the clutches and gearshifts are programmed.

The people that programmed the petrol N DCTs are the ones that programmed the 5 N gearbox to behave the same in all aspects of shifting and power delivery.

I think you the 'purist' needs a horse. Alas, the horse will probably not listen to you either.... Make that a bicycle. All pure, it's all you. Oh, and I happen to be really good at that, too.

 

[Silver Fox]

Saw my first Ioniq 5 N on the (UK) motorway yesterday. In a dark grey colour which I think really suited it.

Seeing it surrounded by other cars of different shapes and sizes meant it looked big in comparison to most, but it had an impressive amount of presence on the road and looked rather special. Certainly more appealing in real life than in pictures/on video.

 

[Sekred]

2.2 tonne. FFS.
I didn't know it had gears.
It hasn't caught fire yet?. And burnt down the house, other houses, buildings, nearest forest, other vehicles?

 

[Duke]

2.2 tonne. FFS.
I didn't know it had gears.
It hasn't caught fire yet?. And burnt down the house, other houses, buildings, nearest forest, other vehicles?

Thankfully, EVs are around 20 times less likely to go on fire than petrol or diesel cars, so the Swedish forests are safe

 

[speeddemon666]

Lets try again.

It's an M turned N car that happens to have an electrical driveline and made by a brand that let an M godfather have his way.

Are my inputs translated to a programme? Yes. Are they on a GR car? Yes, they are also. The throttle pedals are electronic, the engine management is electronic. The injectors, spark plugs, valve timing and throttle are all programmed and governed electronically.
On the GR Yaris the turbo recirc valve and wastegate are electronically controlled and programmed. And the front rear power distribution is electronically controlled. On the auto box versions, the clutches and gearshifts are programmed.

The people that programmed the petrol N DCTs are the ones that programmed the 5 N gearbox to behave the same in all aspects of shifting and power delivery.

I think you the 'purist' needs a horse. Alas, the horse will probably not listen to you either.... Make that a bicycle. All pure, it's all you. Oh, and I happen to be really good at that, too.

Are you an ex smoker?

 

[Onehp]

2.2 tonne. FFS.

I had that prejudice too. It handles my small bumpy twisty forest roads almost beyond belief well, I'm truly having as much fun as with my GR Yaris. Bit more in the dry, bit less in gravel/snow.

I didn't know it had gears.

For me the saving grace, making it a driver's car with an electrical driveline, rather then a fast EV.

It hasn't caught fire yet?. And burnt down the house, other houses, buildings, nearest forest, other vehicles?

I'm actually a fire fighting equipment professional solving the extinguishing issues with other partner companies. However the risk of the HV battery catching fire by itself is, according to my own research with access to every fire incident in Sweden, is ballpark 2,5% that of an internal combustion car catching fire. Or 40 times less likely. Corroborated by international research from Australia amongst others, on car level it's about 20 times lower risk.

Maybe you have seen the reports of Ferraris, Lambo's, McLarens etc catching fire? For every one of those, there are a order of magnitude hundred of 'normal' combustion engined cars burning out which don't get any nationwide attention. However, an EV or even the mere suggestion an EV was involved in a car fire is incredible click baity apparently....

 

[Onehp]

Are you an ex smoker?

Nope. I do wonder what you are, and how you can get so provoked by someone saying they love to drive an EV.

I did own a tuned 123d long time ago and chased my bosses boss in his Boxter on track rubber on track. So I'm not too averse of trying something different.