One of the Japanese tweets suggested their 86's timing chain ingested some from the timing cover and it ended up in the sump/strainer.
GR86 Engine Failure
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AndyRC
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The CEO just got back from Costco with some gasket material , can anyone post a scale drawing of the sump pan face for a GT86 (should be same size) so I can practice making decent gaskets that don’t need RTV 
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. If I get this sorted I’m happy to offer to Zoo members at cost, plus PP , payment by PayPal Family and Friends
AndyRC
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Posted on a Facebook GR8/BRZ forum, guy dropped the oil pan and this is what it looked like
The problem with dropping the oil pan and re-sealing is that it's not a guaranteed fix.
- Firstly, the problem is that the there was too much sealant applied. If a computer controlled robot in a factory hasn't been able to seal it properly, then it seems just as likely that anyone who decides to do it themselves, lying on their back, in their own garage, will also be at risk of applying it incorrectly. And thus reattaching their oil pan thinking they've solved the issue, when perhaps they haven't.
- Secondly, I'm pretty sure that evidence has been found of sealing material of a different colour, which means it's not just come from the sump/block interface, but possibly from somewhere else (heads, cam covers, etc). If that's the case, there's no way of rectifying that without tearing the engine down completely.
Having said that, I think perhaps we should all step back and calm down about this. Although lots of people are reporting sealant debris in their oil pans, there have actually only been a few instances of engine failures, and only one of them that we know of where the warranty was initially refused (and that was not Toyota's fault, but the fault of a rogue dealer really). I am not going to lose too much sleep over it. I'm just going to drive the car and maintain it to the best of my ability. If the engine goes pop, it will be covered by warranty.
The good thing is that the controversy over the case in America is that Toyota wont really have a leg to stand on refusing any such claims in the future - not that I think it would be a problem anyway. As I said, that case in particular seems to be more about a shitty dealer, than the corporate response.
- Firstly, the problem is that the there was too much sealant applied. If a computer controlled robot in a factory hasn't been able to seal it properly, then it seems just as likely that anyone who decides to do it themselves, lying on their back, in their own garage, will also be at risk of applying it incorrectly. And thus reattaching their oil pan thinking they've solved the issue, when perhaps they haven't.
- Secondly, I'm pretty sure that evidence has been found of sealing material of a different colour, which means it's not just come from the sump/block interface, but possibly from somewhere else (heads, cam covers, etc). If that's the case, there's no way of rectifying that without tearing the engine down completely.
Having said that, I think perhaps we should all step back and calm down about this. Although lots of people are reporting sealant debris in their oil pans, there have actually only been a few instances of engine failures, and only one of them that we know of where the warranty was initially refused (and that was not Toyota's fault, but the fault of a rogue dealer really). I am not going to lose too much sleep over it. I'm just going to drive the car and maintain it to the best of my ability. If the engine goes pop, it will be covered by warranty.
The good thing is that the controversy over the case in America is that Toyota wont really have a leg to stand on refusing any such claims in the future - not that I think it would be a problem anyway. As I said, that case in particular seems to be more about a shitty dealer, than the corporate response.
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KobayashiMaru86
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Exactly this. I'll let it get to temp, run it in as per requirements, do a 1000 mile oil change to be sure then drive it how I want.
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Yes, I reckon that's a pretty accurate and fair overview of the current situation (based on the information currently in the public domain).
However, as a lapsed (i.e. retired) Lawyer, I still believe that the questions posed in my post at #89 above are ones which should be raised with TGB at the appropriate time - I am still surprised that the UK-based motoring media has yet to give the story any coverage.
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KobayashiMaru86
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Probably under embargo. To my knowledge, the press cars turned up, we saw them for a day or two then it went quiet. It's weird no one has even seen them driving about.
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I am not sure that you are right about an embargo - after all, Autocar published this article about the issue with the bZ4X on Monday and that is a not dissimilar situation:
Toyota bZ4x production restarts after wheel hub fix | Autocar
Issue affected 2700 examples globally, including 800 cars bound for the UK
www.autocar.co.uk
However, concerns about the RTV sealant/possible engine failure issue might explain why the press cars do not appear to be out and about at the moment.
Toyota bZ4x production restarts after wheel hub fix | Autocar
Issue affected 2700 examples globally, including 800 cars bound for the UK
www.autocar.co.uk
KobayashiMaru86
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More embargo on UK reviews, especially as it's not released here yet. Unless one let go during test and they pulled it all.I am not sure that you are right about an embargo - after all, Autocar published this article about the issue with the bZ4X on Monday and that is a not dissimilar situation:
However, concerns about the RTV sealant/possible engine failure issue might explain why the press cars do not appear to be out and about at the moment.
Toyota bZ4x production restarts after wheel hub fix | Autocar
Issue affected 2700 examples globally, including 800 cars bound for the UK
volksdub
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Complete shambles this is. They have no idea about anything we are talking about and you won’t get any communication from them that will be helpful.
Just my 2 cents: you are wasting your time with their online support. The fact that s/he does not have heard anything about the problem already tells you everything you need to know. These people usually just do their regular social media job without a special dedication to their employer and its products. Today they will answer you if the GR86 has heated seats and tomorrow they will help you to find out if the Samsung microwave Pyrostar X74-T is also available in white...
Even if you provide links and further information the answer will remain more or less the same and will not get you a single step forward. The person will and can not comment on this. I would assume they are even trained to stay away from providing any comments on such topics. You will be told that your matter will be forwarded to whatever department and I bet you will never hear anything useful again afterwards.
Even if you provide links and further information the answer will remain more or less the same and will not get you a single step forward. The person will and can not comment on this. I would assume they are even trained to stay away from providing any comments on such topics. You will be told that your matter will be forwarded to whatever department and I bet you will never hear anything useful again afterwards.
jb1750
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Hang on ‘Toyota’s 3 year manufacturers warranty’?? Isn’t it 10 years??
That may be the case but.... Once I provide them with information they can no longer proof no one told them of the problem. If my engine blows and they claim ignorance I can proof I made them aware
3 years extended to "10" if you have a dealer service it
GR86GRY
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Andy put all the discussion threads in a sticky so that should keep them busy:
Thread 'GR86 - Engine Failure Threads' https://www.gr-zoo.com/threads/gr86-engine-failure-threads.1909/
AndyRC
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This is a decent read, and sums up where we are at this point in time. The “Aftermarket Gasket” idea appears to be getting more mentions as potentially a way of sorting this issue out. As other folk have said applying the right amount of RTV by hand is not as easy as it sounds.
www.thedrive.com
On a personal note I’m interested in this issue but not worried about it on U.K. cars which will be at least a year into production run if not two. I’m sure Toyota will have recalibrated “Bender” the engine building robot by then. As don’t do anything ”mechanical“ myself , with all servicing done at my local dealership (who I currently have a good relationship with) I will let them deal with any issues which may arise. I will check oil regularly and any signs of RTV on the dipstick will be reported to the local service manager and Toyota U.K.
How To Spot and Fix the Oil Clogging Issue That’s Killing 2022 Toyota GR86 Engines
We'll explain some potential solutions to the RTV sealant clogging oil lines issue observed in some 2022 Toyota GR86s and Subaru BRZs
www.thedrive.com
On a personal note I’m interested in this issue but not worried about it on U.K. cars which will be at least a year into production run if not two. I’m sure Toyota will have recalibrated “Bender” the engine building robot by then. As don’t do anything ”mechanical“ myself , with all servicing done at my local dealership (who I currently have a good relationship with) I will let them deal with any issues which may arise. I will check oil regularly and any signs of RTV on the dipstick will be reported to the local service manager and Toyota U.K.
Kosh
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Thats right.
If you dont do anything, you can be sure nothing will be forwarded.
But if you provide them the links, something MAY happen.
Since its not a big effort to send them some links, i would just do it...
RDMsport
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Interesting that they are now saying the warranty does not cover track use. I've got 2 emails from Toyota online saying the warranty is the same as the GR Yaris and will cover track use.
