GR86 Whiteline KDT925 Differential Bush Inserts

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I thought this mod might be worth a dedicated thread, as so far the only mention of it has been by @Jianlun in his build thread, but I think overall it could be worthwhile, and it was a very popular mod for the previous gen cars as well.

What are you talking about?

The differential on our car is mounted to the subframe via four mounting points with rubber bushings. These bushings are quite soft, meaning that there is a fairly substantial amount of movement in the diff. Below is a video highlighting what I'm talking about - it's filmed on a previous gen car, but the diff setup is the same on the GR.



You can see in the left of the frame, the three bolts which attach to the diff, and how much they move around in their bushes as the car comes on and off throttle. This translates to a rather unpleasant feeling 'rubber band' effect when making quite hard or quick throttle changes, especially in lower gears where there's more torque. In fact, I was recently becoming convinced that a lot of the jerky acceleration issues I'd experienced were less down to poor throttle mapping/lumpy tuning, and more due to this physical slop in the driveline. The worst symptom that I experienced was exactly as I said - when accelerating hard and quickly in lower gears, especially over rough roads, it felt a bit like the car was being pulled forward by a rubber band.

Now obviously the differential bushings aren't the only rubber bushings supporting the driveline, and I had already replaced the transmission mount with the firmer STI one. That improved throttle response a little, but the main advantage of that was helping the shift feel. I wanted to try the bush inserts as I figure the diff was where there was the most movement that you would feel through the throttle.

So what are the Whiteline bush inserts?


Quite simply, they are like poly bushes, but instead of replacing the whole bush, they simply fit into the voids of the OEM rubber bush. By doing so, they substantially reduce the amount of flex the bush can offer, and so prevent that rocking motion of the different as the throttle input changes. The kit is for the GT86, but apparently it fits the GR86 as well.

Whiteline apparently also do a complete replacement bush, but I imagine that is costlier, nosier, and harder to install, so probably better suited for track setups than road driven cars.

Installation

Installation is easy. Rather than go into full detail, I'll just post this excellent video which I used.



Again, this is from a GT86, but the setup being the same, I pretty much followed it to the letter.

There is only one difference - for each of the front diff bushings, there are two inserts: an upper and a lower. It would appear that the upper ones no longer fit the GR, due to a slight change in bushing size, as confirmed by @Jianlun in his build thread. I took his lead, and didn't even bother attempting to fit these ones, I just fitted the front lower inserts, and the rear inserts (for the bushes you see in the first video). I suspect that the difference the missing ones make is minimal, and Jianlun said that he gets no NVH, but he did when he fitted the full kit to his previous GT86, so perhaps that's a contributor.

Installation took me roughly an hour lying on the ground. including time to jack the car up/down. But I was taking my time, checking the install vid and also spending a bit of time spraying ACF50 over the subframe whilst I was there. I suspect You could do this in 30 minutes if you got a wriggle on, and even less if you have access to a lift. I will say though, I also have an HKS exhaust fitted, which means I don't have the big OEM backbox anymore - that might have helped by giving me more room to manoeuvre.

Results

So far, I have only taken the car for a fairly short drive, but I am sure there has been an overall improvement. The throttle/clutch doesn't feel much different when pulling away normally - it's a tad more direct on clutch take-up - but when pulling away hard, or when making quick adjustments to the throttle, I am certain it has reduced that rubber-banding effect that could be so unpleasant. I have often noticed that even when changing gear normally and not pushing on, I could feel the car lurching a little sometimes as I came off the clutch, as though I wasn't coming off it quickly or cleanly enough. That effect seems to be lessened now. I need to drive it more, and a bit harder to be sure, and it's not like a night and day difference, but the car does feel 'tighter' at the back - but only through the driveline. There's no noticeable difference to the handling or how the car feels or steers, other than when your manipulating the power.

As for NVH increases - I can detect no change. I can't hear any untoward differential noises. I have an aftermarket exhaust, but not a particular loud one, but there's nothing I can hear over that, road noise, of the radio. I might do a test of some full-lock maneuvering as I guess that's when the diff is noisiest, but so far, nothing untoward.

Conclusion

This was a popular and apparently worthwhile mod for the GT86 that I never got around to. I would say that it remains for the the GR. It's not completely transformative, but it certainly helps smooth out the power delivery, and time will tell if I think it solves the jerky throttle issues entirely - but initial impressions are that it has definitely improved it a little at least. It makes the car feel a bit tighter with no real downside in terms of noise.

For the cost (I purchased from Fensport, £54.02 including the GRZOO discount) and the ease of installation, I would say it's definitely worth doing for anyone just looking to tighten up the driving feel. And if you don't like it, it's easily reversible.
 
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I've put the Powerflex gearbox insert and at first it was nice but then I started to hear some really weird metal clunking sounds. Had to put it off and it vanished. Now I'm looking to import STI.

I was thinking to do the same with diff, but after rather unwelcoming results with poli, I might just get the STI version.

Do you happen to know, if STI from older gen, fits new vehicle? Or we are bound to use only 3rd party ones?
 
Do you meant the STI transmission mount? Yes, that's what I have fitted, and it was the same as the old gen.
 
As is bloody typical, English weather has scuppered my plans to go on a drive on the only morning where it's worth it. Dry all week, then started raining at about half four yesterday afternoon and hasn't stopped since, so the roads are sodden.

Still, I did go out for a brief drive and am still of the opinion that this is a definite improvement in drivability. It is not a cure for the throttle issues, there is still some jerkiness sometimes which could be something in the mapping or whatever...but pulling out of junctions, accelerating out of 30 zones, or between speed bumps - all these scenarios feel smoother and more controlled.

I negotiated one junction near me where I know that I've suffered with the jerky throttle before - quite a fast B road, then a sharp left turn into a straight country lane where you can get back on the power quite quickly. Every time I've gone round it before, as I accelerate out of the turn, I've felt that low down jerky throttle which resulted in kangarooing as I ended up adjusting the pedal pressure in response. Today, I felt the same thing initially - there was a still a bit of that rough throttle mapping - but the car felt more composed, like it dealt with it better and just picked up and carried on.

I are not good with words and fings, so it's kind of hard to explain, but I think if you know the issues I'm talking about, you'd find this to be an improvement.
 
Always tricky to describe these sorts of things as a lot of it is subjective, Will certainly be adding these to mine so will also have a go at articulating any improvements ! Definitely helped the gt86 in terms of 'slop' so sounds similar. I did fit that to a 2012 car in about 2020 so it might not feel quite as night and day but I'm all for tightening up the feel here and there! Cheers for your info on it 👍
 
Warning:

If you get both subframe inserts (highly recommended!!!!) and diff inserts, there is a increase in NVH, noticeable gear whine from the diff when cruising at 3000 - 3400 rpm (74mph+ I think)

Might help if just the rear diff insert is installed and leaving the front ones
 
Yeah I'm not gonna touch subframe inserts. I know they come with a big increase in rigidity, but my car is exclusively road driven. Don't think I could live with them.
 
Yeah I'm not gonna touch subframe inserts. I know they come with a big increase in rigidity, but my car is exclusively road driven. Don't think I could live with them.
The car is way better damped and controlled with them, outside the diff gear noise it's more comfortable imo

I would say you will start losing the "playful" character where on the standard car the rear moves around everywhere and leaves a lot of grip potential on the table
 
Got a link to the subframe inserts (if it is something else)? I saw Spoon do a rigid collar set too like they do on Type-R's
 
Got a link to the subframe inserts (if it is something else)? I saw Spoon do a rigid collar set too like they do on Type-R's
 
In some circumstances, when you stamp on the throttle the bounce in the driveline is considerable, so I ordered one and a really cheap torque wrench (don't judge). It won't fix everything, but I'm interested to see what it does and have been since I had the GT.
@Conscript - you say the top part of the insert doesn't fit the GR, so when following the instructions you just don't need to lower the diff from the car at all ? Cheers
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In some circumstances, when you stamp on the throttle the bounce in the driveline is considerable, so I ordered one and a really cheap torque wrench (don't judge). It won't fix everything, but I'm interested to see what it does and have been since I had the GT.
@Conscript - you say the top part of the insert doesn't fit the GR, so when following the instructions you just don't need to lower the diff from the car at all ? Cheers
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Correct...you'll still need to support the diff, but no need to lower it. Just withdraw the bolt, fit the lower bush insert, and put the bolt back in.
 
Correct...you'll still need to support the diff, but no need to lower it. Just withdraw the bolt, fit the lower bush insert, and put the bolt back in.
I put this in over the weekend. Unsurprisingly, the results are marginal, but there is noticeably less elastic band in the driveline. I also notice a little more clunking at low speeds / selecting 1st but I can't say any more NVH at high speed. Easy to do, apart from the ARB bolts - for some reason they really wanted to cross thread so I took my time and didn't use the impact driver.
 
I had Nigel (@ctecperformance) fit these for me yesterday while fitting a exhaust. The two front upper bushes/inserts fitted fine.

Seems to make some improvements to help smooth out the power delivery and makes it less jerky.
 
The only new nvh I've noticed is in first gear with a slight whine. I'm telling myself it's helped with the elastic band feel of the drive train, and it probably has slightly but don't rush out to buy it. Luckily no real downsides, so worth trying 👍
 
I put this in over the weekend. Unsurprisingly, the results are marginal, but there is noticeably less elastic band in the driveline. I also notice a little more clunking at low speeds / selecting 1st but I can't say any more NVH at high speed. Easy to do, apart from the ARB bolts - for some reason they really wanted to cross thread so I took my time and didn't use the impact driver.
Concur with more noise at lower speeds especially first. But then it is quite a noisy car anyway. Keep thinking something is up but it's how it is.
 
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