GR86 Sold Out!

Reeves999999

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Interesting. The law on misleading marketing is pretty clear. Given the statement “…the car is not available to buy through your local centre…” etc, along with other official similar messages including those about the car not even being available at all after Nov 17th, Toyota falls foul of the first two of these very clear laws around this (quote from gov.uk a.k.a., the law):

The Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations mean you cannot mislead or harass consumers by, for example:
  • including false or deceptive messages
  • leaving out important information
  • using aggressive sales techniques

They are in clear breach of the first two here: 1: all the messages presented were in fact false and/or deceptive, and 2: they failed to mention the cars would be readily available after Nov 17 (rather important). They created exclusivity and a time pressure, both of which were total lies.

Toyota may think they are so big they can do what they want, but they cannot. The laws are applied to all, including them. If they trade in this country there are rules they need to adhere to. But they haven’t.

It would be fair and sensible for Toyota to sort things out themselves, for all those Oct 03 + buyers, but they seem to be doing nothing. My first experience of the “new normal” that is buying a car online, with no dealer interaction, has not been enjoyable one bit.
 
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Yotayoda

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Interesting. The law on misleading marketing is pretty clear. Given the statement “…the car is not available to buy through your local centre…” etc, along with other official similar messages including those about the car not even being available at all after Nov 17th, Toyota falls foul of the first two of these very clear laws around this (quote from gov.uk a.k.a., the law):

The Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations mean you cannot mislead or harass consumers by, for example:
  • including false or deceptive messages
  • leaving out important information
  • using aggressive sales techniques

Legally they have no leg to stand on. They are in clear breach of the first two here: 1: all the messages presented were in fact false and/or deceptive, and 2: they failed to mention the cars would be readily available after Nov 17 (rather important). They created false exclusivity and a time pressure, both of which were total lies.

Toyota may think they are so big they can do what they want, but they cannot. The laws are applied to all, including them. If they trade in this country there are rules they need to adhere to. But they haven’t.
Any lawyers on here?, would be willing to pay a percentage of any compensation claim. I think Toyota could perhaps provide some complimentary service agreements for their false marketing.
 
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Jayware33

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@Yotayoda - even if there were any lawyers here, it can be risky to talk about specifics for all kinds of reasons. I’d say the best thing to do is keep it offline (more so if it becomes an actual legal case) and take it up with trading standards if you really must.
 
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R5_RXK

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For goodness sake just go and enjoy your car, so what you bought a car you thought was a “limited” supply and turns out its not and anyone can still buy one. Lots of people rushed to buy one because they thought they’d sell out.
So what, it’s a great car none the less and life’s too short for all these petty legal disputes do you think it’ll really solve anything other than make you feel better for 30 seconds
 

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For goodness sake just go and enjoy your car, so what you bought a car you thought was a “limited” supply and turns out its not and anyone can still buy one. Lots of people rushed to buy one because they thought they’d sell out.
So what, it’s a great car none the less and life’s too short for all these petty legal disputes do you think it’ll really solve anything other than make you feel better for 30 seconds
Each to his own.. some people don’t like getting taken for mugs
 
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The whole limited vs. additional availability issue does remind me of the Renault Clio Williams furore almost 30 years ago.

Much malcontent was experienced and vocalised by the lucky few who managed to secure the original, only to see Renault bring out a Williams 2 and if that wasn't bad enough, follow up with a Williams 3.

But, I doubt very much if this impacted on the ownership and driving experience for the owners, perhaps apart from the very subjective and ephemeral concept of perceived "exclusivity".

I'm sure many of us are committed to GR86 ownership for the medium to long term (dirty flippers excluded, as they jolly well should be); so apart from a nagging feeling of being "had over", does it really matter to most of us?

In terms of legacy, I wouldn't be surprised if the GR86 experiences something of the Clio Williams effect over the coming years:

1. Driving. The Williams is often cited as one of - if not the - greatest hot hatch(es) of all time; regularly wowing contemporary road testers who may not have even been born when it came out.

2. Value. Well I'll just leave this here.

Enjoy your wonderful cars!
 

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The whole limited vs. additional availability issue does remind me of the Renault Clio Williams furore almost 30 years ago.

Much malcontent was experienced and vocalised by the lucky few who managed to secure the original, only to see Renault bring out a Williams 2 and if that wasn't bad enough, follow up with a Williams 3.

But, I doubt very much if this impacted on the ownership and driving experience for the owners, perhaps apart from the very subjective and ephemeral concept of perceived "exclusivity".

I'm sure many of us are committed to GR86 ownership for the medium to long term (dirty flippers excluded, as they jolly well should be); so apart from a nagging feeling of being "had over", does it really matter to most of us?

In terms of legacy, I wouldn't be surprised if the GR86 experiences something of the Clio Williams effect over the coming years:

1. Driving. The Williams is often cited as one of - if not the - greatest hot hatch(es) of all time; regularly wowing contemporary road testers who may not have even been born when it came out.

2. Value. Well I'll just leave this here.

Enjoy your wonderful cars!
We’re down in Stafford visiting the boys and our Grandaughter.. we normally take the a roads down to J16 on the M6 from Chester but decided on economy .. the car just feels better every time I drive it and at ~700 miles I’m close to throwing the shackles off.. I do resent paying ~£2k too much for the car but I do love it
 

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We’re down in Stafford visiting the boys and our Grandaughter.. we normally take the a roads down to J16 on the M6 from Chester but decided on economy .. the car just feels better every time I drive it and at ~700 miles I’m close to throwing the shackles off.. I do resent paying ~£2k too much for the car but I do love it
Just keep reminding yourself how much you'd have had to spend on a better driving, brand new, alternative (plus they won't come with a possible up to 10 year warranty). I'm over 8000 miles now, and it still puts a smile on my face when I've took it out for a B road blast.
 

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Just keep reminding yourself how much you'd have had to spend on a better driving, brand new, alternative (plus they won't come with a possible up to 10 year warranty). I'm over 8000 miles now, and it still puts a smile on my face when I've took it out for a B road blast.
thats because you have the best colour … 😝
 

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Just keep reminding yourself how much you'd have had to spend on a better driving, brand new, alternative (plus they won't come with a possible up to 10 year warranty). I'm over 8000 miles now, and it still puts a smile on my face when I've took it out for a B road blast.
You’re right Nick but I do resent somebody who didn’t take the leap of faith getting one over on me.. It’s business for Toyota but I still think it’s bloody shoddy
 
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You need to stop walking around like a bear with a sore head, you will feel better for it.

Yes you could have potentially bought the car for 2k cheaper, (although I don’t see anyone who actually got this deal?), if you was an early bird in 2022 you could have got one for under 30k, but you didn’t, that’s life, it happens, you say you are a grumpy old man, you should have the life experience to know this.

We live in a capitalist world, it happens everywhere, all the time, one day you’ll buy a jumper the follow week it has 50% off, it sucks. Feel for the poor buggers out there that are struggling to make ends meet and the youngsters who are unlikely to ever own their own home because house prices have gone to the moon. It's £2k, you can afford it, you were happy to sign the dotted line for that value at the time, its not the end of the world,
 

Bluemanc100

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You need to stop walking around like a bear with a sore head, you will feel better for it.

Yes you could have potentially bought the car for 2k cheaper, (although I don’t see anyone who actually got this deal?), if you was an early bird in 2022 you could have got one for under 30k, but you didn’t, that’s life, it happens, you say you are a grumpy old man, you should have the life experience to know this.

We live in a capitalist world, it happens everywhere, all the time, one day you’ll buy a jumper the follow week it has 50% off, it sucks. Feel for the poor buggers out there that are struggling to make ends meet and the youngsters who are unlikely to ever own their own home because house prices have gone to the moon. It's £2k, you can afford it, you were happy to sign the dotted line for that value at the time, its not the end of the world,
Far too sensible a post that
 

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I may have posted this on the wrong thread earlier, but I just had a call from my dealer offering a test drive of the GR86 due to some more availability. Seems they are now ringing round all the GR Yaris customers. I already ignored an invite to purchase some months ago. I’ve asked for details on the offer available, anyway.
 

ZN8

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Toyota Japan have engineered and built an awesome sport car. Toyota GB have made an absolute dogs dinner in selling it.

Go out and enjoy it, don't get tied up with knots and have to deal with them further. It will stress you out more.