Hyundai Ioniq 5 N

Not to be a spoilsport, but the original 15 y/o Elise based Tesla Roadster was very close to that spec... Fetching more money today too...
Fair point - surprised there hasn't been anything comparable* between then and now.

(*There may have been of course - I don't know much about the electric vehicle market to be fair)
 
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Fair point - surprised there hasn't been anything comparable* between then and now.

(There may have been - I don't know much about the electric vehicle market to be fair)
Not much. ICE enthusiasts weren't ready for EV, and early EV enthusiasts needed something more practical...

Strictly speaking , electrifying sports cars that do very little mileage is a net reduction in sustainability.... But as a signal to the broader car market, like always, the exotic sporty cars show the market what's desirable...
 
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In time I hope the conversion costs come down, but an added factor is a lot of classics simply aren’t worth restoring - so the conversion is already on the back foot!

Labour costs will be the major factor even once component costs have bottomed.
 
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but at the moment I don't even want to drive an Auto.
In a sense, insisting on driving a slower manual ICE instead of perfectly fine dual clutch auto version, is technologically *even sillier* than nostalgic unecessary fake gearchanges in a single geared EV as you can actually wreck your engine if you make a single mistake. Yet we love it for the control and sensations it gives us and I've proudly never owned an auto ICE car.

I never wanted an auto unless it was perfectly executed and reminds me of a sequential (hate delays and auto upshifts), and it is executed perfectly here.
Faking a clutch and manual gearbox would be one step too far... Ironically a ICE Hypercar has proposed this and afaik it was celebrated as a purist move... Double standards?

You and Sam are probably the type that long for the day when you get in a car and it drives to your destination for you while you stare at your phone or laptop screen.
I don't. I know quite a few car dealers and techs, quite suprisingly can't say they are better drivers for it. Interest in, knowledge of and/or working with cars, and being interested in being a good and constantly improving driver are two seperate things in my experience.

As such, self-driving cars would benefit many a driver and make roads a lot safer for those already looking at their screens... But it won't happen either as driving is an art, and they just need to remove all the distractions imho.

I like a car you get in, turn the key, and off you go.
In the 5 N, speed warning and lane assist, mandatory today, are switched of each with one long press of the steering button.

No touch buttons, no touch screen, no menus, no swiping, no combination of those. Just one physical steering wheel button one can operate blindly. Gotta love that and it doesn't get better in any new car irrespective of drivetrain.

In the mood for driving fun, one more press of a steering wheel button, and I've set my favourite (for the season) ESP* setting, engine, steering, damping, noise and LSD settings. Beats the button dance in the GR cars. Yeah it's nicer if you don't have to but then you have different cars for different purposes. This car does everything for me in one package when I previously needed two that didn't even cover the same range of abilities.

And your off you go comment also reminds me of a massive driving enjoyment advantage. In this driver's car, I can have fun from the first bend. No tedious engine and gearbox oil warming procedures, and in winter warming the cabin with engine heat extending the whole thing even longer. If I stop in summer, it won't heat soak and I don't need to cool down before I get my fun back.

It literally extends each drive with ~5 to 15min of fun as I don't waste them on in essence extended ICE start-up procedures.

Anyway, I'm pretty pleased with my new acquisition, just like the GR Yaris, a great car from a WRC Manufacturer champion.

Not everybody will like it though, or any new car for that matter, and some will keep telling us.... it helps invoke new trains of thought as above, looking at the bright side of it ;)
 
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I am so surprised to see this thread going that far in the discussion.

1. I guess it won't be possible to have a car that weights less than 1 ton which would also be compliant with the security measure that are existing nowadays. Therefore, you do not need to blame anyone, manufacturers or buyers, because of these restrictions. Keep your old car, be happy, and don't judge others.

2. A lot of investment has been done in EVs and we are only at the beginning of what a sporty EV can look like. Except the Rimac Neverra, the 5N is the first "affordable" EV car that is fun to drive. Enough reviews say so. We might see better EV cars in the future and the tables can also turn.

3. Do not forget that it stays a personal choice and that you cannot judge the choices of others. We all have our opinion and mine is not better than yours.

Have a nice day Gentlemen
 
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And your off you go comment also reminds me of a massive driving enjoyment advantage. In this driver's car, I can have fun from the first bend. No tedious engine and gearbox oil warming procedures, and in winter warming the cabin with engine heat extending the whole thing even longer. If I stop in summer, it won't heat soak and I don't need to cool down before I get my fun back.
Regarding heat soaks - they drove few Taycans including 4S and Turbo S around Porsche Ring in Pärnu. all cars heatsoaked, ending 3s slower laptimes to what they peaked. so heat soak is there also with EV's, but the different kind. but you're correct that warm up stuff you don't need to do, as there's no oil etc.

And maybe its the tyres that heatsoak easier as vehicles weigh almost +1tn vs ICE.
 
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Go look at battery energy density curves. Never say never.
On a 5 N, double density and resisting the urge to put a larger capacity in, would result in a 200kg saving. 10% of total. Improved charging would then be limited by infrastructure, now it already does 270kW. 800V is already a revelation and deminishing returns with new battery tech. Vs 400v it charges about 15min faster, new tech, limited by chargers, will reduce maybe another 5min.

That said, weight is a spiral, if designed from the ground up, more weight reduction is a given, and since we're at 1200kg (the 4 seater i3s is ~1300kg, same as a GRY mk2 AT), sub 1000kg is imho a given.
 
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Regarding heat soaks - they drove few Taycans including 4S and Turbo S around Porsche Ring in Pärnu. all cars heatsoaked, ending 3s slower laptimes to what they peaked. so heat soak is there also with EV's, but the different kind. but you're correct that warm up stuff you don't need to do, as there's no oil etc.

And maybe its the tyres that heatsoak easier as vehicles weigh almost +1tn vs ICE.
Yeah on track, but the 5N easily outdoes at least the mk1 Taycan. On road the 5N has huge cooling reserves....
 
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@markku very short review. Haven't driven GRY in 2 months as it needs to stay pretty. Before, after one week not driving it, I would become mentally and physically distressed, getting a bad temper and generally distrought. There was no other car I wanted to go out and drive.

Now, I still don't have enough time to make the drives I want, but I don't get that incredible itch to go and drive the GRY while it's sitting outside. Is the GRY more ultimate fun on a small twisty bumpy back road? Yes. Is the 5N much behind? Much less then i originally anticipated.
I will cherish my time with the GRY with fond memories, but for where I am in life right now, I feel I've scratched that awd rally homologation itch...
 
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@markku very short review. Haven't driven GRY in 2 months as it needs to stay pretty. Before, after one week not driving it, I would become mentally and physically distressed, getting a bad temper and generally distrought. There was no other car I wanted to go out and drive.

Now, I still don't have enough time to make the drives I want, but I don't get that incredible itch to go and drive the GRY while it's sitting outside. Is the GRY more ultimate fun on a small twisty bumpy back road? Yes. Is the 5N much behind? Much less then i originally anticipated.
I will cherish my time with the GRY with fond memories, but for where I am in life right now, I feel I've scratched that awd rally homologation itch...
Thank you @Onehp, very good to know, and it totally makes sense.
Enjoy your new itch, I'm sure it will give all you need from a car right now.
And of course, if I would be forced to go for a BEV for some reason, I would go for the 5N, no doubt about that.
 
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My neighbour recently bought a 5N. I think it's a pretty handsome and striking car. I does look rather large though. So I'm not sure it's the kind of car I'd want to blast down a narrow B road.

You've gotta respect the effort made to make an electric car more engaging to drive. For me though, buying an electric car for fun is the like buying a new washing machine for fun. It's just not really for that purpose – and that's ok.

Being able to turn gear changes on and off means it'll inevitably be something that's fun for a bit but soon forgotten about. This was true for me when I owned a Golf with a DSG box – I rarely bothered putting it in manual for the extra driving engagement. I instead just accepted that the car was at heart a practical and comfortable wagon.

I suspect that psychology is such a big factor in whether a car is fun or not. And the most fun cars have to be seriously flawed in some way to make the fun bit even more satisfying. In other words, driving a manual car in traffic is a pain, but it makes rev matching a downshift on a nice B-road all the more satisfying.

I'm not at all against electric cars - I just think the car industry should embrace comfort, quietness, and practicality, rather than try and make them as engaging to drive as ICE cars.
 
I suspect that psychology is such a big factor in whether a car is fun or not. And the most fun cars have to be seriously flawed in some way to make the fun bit even more satisfying. In other words, driving a manual car in traffic is a pain, but it makes rev matching a downshift on a nice B-road all the more satisfying.

I'm not at all against electric cars - I just think the car industry should embrace comfort, quietness, and practicality, rather than try and make them as engaging to drive as ICE cars.
Well this is perhaps the biggest appeal of the 5N when not having (slightly less) fun, is that it's a very complete car. Roomy, comfortable and quiet. Maybe boring but when doing quite some miles, this things start to weigh in too.
The way it combines both very playful handling and visceral feedback when on it (it actually does the narrow B-road well, and I look forward to it), and a very agreeable daily car at the press of a single physical button, makes it fairly unique. There was a review, forgot which one, that said it was the only car in where the venn diagrams 'fun 600hp car' and 'less then 70dB(a) at 70mph' overlap. Perhaps the S63 AMG does that too although I read it's suprisingly noisy so perhaps not... an not even on the same planet price wise....

In the end, this is just one car but a bit of a first. If I had more space/time, I maybe wouldn't have bought it and just kept the GRY and bought a cheap EV commuter instead. Even so, I wouldn't be able to do 'holiday with the family' in the same way - the comfortable effortless nature in EV mode makes that I can make very good progress without upsetting the passengers, and once arrived at a destination with new roads, I can take the same car and have my driving fun. All the while being mindfull of system limits. No multi-car garage can do that...
 
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Thank you @Onehp, very good to know, and it totally makes sense.
Enjoy your new itch, I'm sure it will give all you need from a car right now.
And of course, if I would be forced to go for a BEV for some reason, I would go for the 5N, no doubt about that.
hope Hyundai will make a little brother of 5N. shave +500kg off, and reduce the size by 50cm from each dimension. maybe with 150-200km range it could make a good rally weapon
 
Downsides:
- Tyres are expensive and will wear with enthusiast use - will be my largest running cost on this car
- ICCU issues not completely solved (on-board charger) - main weakness of this platform
- Relative high consumption/not the best range on paper. However with a (little less than) 2h drive- charge fast regime, it's actually quite good even long range.
 
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