GR86 GR86 Remap - any news?

No it won't do. The rev hang is there for emissions reasons.
I was wondering if the “rev hang” is a product of flywheel weight?

TRD offer a lightweight flywheel and Chris Harris mentions it in his review:

“Disappointing parts; it’s [GR86] got a massive amount of flywheel weight on it, when you back off the throttle it doesn’t really want to shed revs, so you have to be very accurate with your heel and toeing and your declutching,”



Switching to an axle back has made “rev hang” much more noticeable for me.

I’d welcome the views of those with more knowledge/experience.
 
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No, it's emissions, it's likely he is saying that because it's the closest thing he can relate it to. Most modern cars will have it to varying degree, it's something to do with burning off residual fuel after you've let off the throttle.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-ca...-in-modern-manual-cars-is-there-for-a-reason/

If the flywheel was that heavy you would notice it in throttle response.
The rev hang is not consistent, which makes me think you might be onto something with this.
 
The rev hang is not consistent, which makes me think you might be onto something with this.
I think it's only meant to happen under a certain throttle threshold. It doesn't bother me much if in driving hard and if I'm not, then I just deliberately slow my shifts a little and it's much smoother.
 
A quick Google says its to maintain the correct environment to mininise NOx. Makes sense that it's different for different temps, pressures rpm etc.
 
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No it won't do. The rev hang is there for emissions reasons.
It is, but they did mention improved throttle respnse for rev matching, - the rev hang destroys that, maybe I was being overly optimistic.

Potentially now they cars aren't being sold in the EU, emissions restrictions aren't as stringent, i.e. no GPF. so they have removed this compromise? - makes it even less slikely for the unlikely dealer map here though!
 
It is, but they did mention improved throttle respnse for rev matching, - the rev hang destroys that, maybe I was being overly optimistic.

Potentially now they cars aren't being sold in the EU, emissions restrictions aren't as stringent, i.e. no GPF. so they have removed this compromise? - makes it even less slikely for the unlikely dealer map here though!
Rev hang isn't an issue for rev matching - you always increase the revs on downshifts (ie when you need to rev match to avoid underspeeding rear wheels). Throttle response/calibration, however, is vital.
 
Rev hang isn't an issue for rev matching - you always increase the revs on downshifts (ie when you need to rev match to avoid underspeeding rear wheels). Throttle response/calibration, however, is vital.
I find when blipping the revs continue to increase (more than they should) after I lift off I assume its a function of the horrible mapping and the overhang collaborating to make it as hard as possible. possibly my driving style but I like to blip so teh revs are about right by the time I've released the clutch, on the 86 I find they continue to rise and overshoot.

I don't have the problem on my Westfield on carbs, or on my old E46 M3.
 
I find when blipping the revs continue to increase (more than they should) after I lift off I assume its a function of the horrible mapping and the overhang collaborating to make it as hard as possible. possibly my driving style but I like to blip so teh revs are about right by the time I've released the clutch, on the 86 I find they continue to rise and overshoot.

I don't have the problem on my Westfield on carbs, or on my old E46 M3.

Have you still got the artificial engine sound switched on? It’s ever so slightly out of sync with the real engine revs, so it makes accurate rev matching/heel & toeing 10x more difficult.

Switching it off is a revelation.
 
Have you still got the artificial engine sound switched on? It’s ever so slightly out of sync with the real engine revs, so it makes accurate rev matching/heel & toeing 10x more difficult.

Switching it off is a revelation.
Nope, I had it disabled prior to collection. but you are right, from the demo car I drove it was very disconcerting!
 

I see TD are now listing the remap on their site. Is it ready now?

I'm not in a position to have it mapped yet but will be getting it done next year if it's available.
 
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Hmm I've not heard much about n/a tuning here in the UK yet. Would be interested to see what gains are possible. I think @S18RSG was going to check this out from TD
 
Hmm I've not heard much about n/a tuning here in the UK yet. Would be interested to see what gains are possible. I think @S18RSG was going to check this out from TD
I've been to TD and been in touch with Mike for some time. I've seen the dyno numbers etc. on the tuned GR, looks strong. I'm unfortunately not able to share currently, as its still in development, but they're good.

The reason its taken time, is because I told Mike that a lot of owners will be asking about throttle mapping. The throttle mapping doesn't work on the GR like it did on the GT, it's all linked to torque targeting.

Last time I spoke with Mike, he had started to make some progress in this regard and said he would be working towards getting some really good control over the throttle mapping over the next weeks/months.

The mapping is available now, but it will likely be with an even more responsive throttle map than stock, which is the main reason I have avoided jumping at the chance to get mine tuned immediately. But yes, he's happy to start tuning cars and has already tuned a couple.
 
I had a chat with Adrian (Fensport) last weekend about this. He has done 11K miles in his GR86. He told me that he is working on it as there is a fair bit you have to consider when it comes to staying emissions legal. Interesting comments about the flywheel not being the issue and it more likely being about emissions does make some sense.

Adrian said he'd let me know when he has finalised the mapping. Will be interesting to see how that goes.
 
I'm not sure this is really worthy of it's own thread, but I just wanted to share a nugget of information I came across on the American GR forums. Someone has discovered that you can get rid of rev hang with a fairly simple fix - under the dash, there's a switch located at the top of the clutch pedal, which is depressed when the pedal is up. If you simply unplug the blue connector for it, the rev hang disappears.


Unfortunately, it's not without compromise. The same switch is also used by the gear indicator on the dash, and the cruise control module, so both only operate when the clutch pedal is released. So this little hack will mean you lose access to both those functions. However, that seems to be all - the clutch in/engine start switch is a different one at the bottom of the pedal, and no CEL is displayed.

I've just experimented with it myself and went for a short drive around with the switch disconnected and I'm pretty sure there's a difference. Shifting felt smoother, without that little lurch you sometimes get if you shift too quickly without compensating for the extra rev hang. It felt a little more natural to me, like I could shift without thinking about it as much, not having to consciously slow myself down...not that I was banging through gears as fast as possible or anything, but I find you have to be slow down a little and be more measured when the rev hang is present.

If that was the only effect then I'd happily leave the switch unplugged. But mines a daily and I don't want to lose cruise control (or the gear display really, just 'cos), so I plugged it back in. But if you don't mind losing those functions, or you just want to experiment, then it's a pretty innocuous thing to try and easily reversed by just plugging the switch back in.