GR86 GR86 Confessions
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Alistair31
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Silver Fox
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Sonic
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Whilst flirting with the idea of being ‘unfaithful’ to the GR86 and configuring several variants of the 718 Cayman behind its back, I was minded to come up with what advantages such a change would bring: I couldn’t come up with anything other than a bit of badge snobbery. Then when I started to look at all the stuff I’d have to remove from my GR86 before selling and I just couldn’t be arsed! So it gets to stay for another year or so. In fact I’m off out to clean it as recompense for my sinful thoughts.
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KobayashiMaru86
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For me, like buying an selling houses, changing cars is such a faff I just can't be arsed with it. It's almost easier to get a 2nd or 3rd car. The 86 stays for years if not forever, the Swift when it does die will be replaced by an FK8/FL5. Still want a bike but will never sell the Triumph so the Aprilia Tuono seems to be ticking some boxes as is the BMW S1000XR for other reasons but support is miles away. If I was to change the 86 I'd need a day or two to remove everything, I'd have wheels to sell on and all the mods. It's just too much hassle.
Itcaptainslow
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For me it’s dealing with the endless timewasters when selling privately. It’s definitely worsened over the last five years or so.
KobayashiMaru86
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Definitely has. That's why with the Swift it stays until it's literally scrap and I weigh it in myself. I can't be dealing with mouth breathers and timewasters off FB marketplace and the like. It's painful.
The grass isn’t greener, it’s just a different direction the sun (manufacturer) is shining on it! Very rarely a car is for life, hell getting past three years these days is considered long term commitment! At the end of the day it is for the minority of the driving population an experience and passion (which is where feelings of running off with a newer model come in) rather than a way to get from A-B, and it is good to have different experiences in respects to cars… for petrolheads upon reflection it is almost like we are chasing the perfect car, but of course there is no such thing, but we attempt to find our perfect and usually at expense, stress, hassle and delightful conversations with the other half including ‘reeeeaaalllly’ and ‘what again’.
I find it interesting to see what this delightful bunch of petrolheads have come from and going to car wise.
I must admit after a weekend away with my wife up to the northern part of Aberdeenshire a couple of weeks ago with PS4’s on, 10c outside and rain like I have not seen around Glenshee, the car was where it belonged and was dancing on the A and B roads despite the rain. Biggest complement was when we got to the destination some 5 hrs later the wife turned around and said that was very comfortable and enjoyable… considering how I was playing around on the roads! I was buzzing as I really felt like I had driven the car rather than the other way round.
I find it interesting to see what this delightful bunch of petrolheads have come from and going to car wise.
I must admit after a weekend away with my wife up to the northern part of Aberdeenshire a couple of weeks ago with PS4’s on, 10c outside and rain like I have not seen around Glenshee, the car was where it belonged and was dancing on the A and B roads despite the rain. Biggest complement was when we got to the destination some 5 hrs later the wife turned around and said that was very comfortable and enjoyable… considering how I was playing around on the roads! I was buzzing as I really felt like I had driven the car rather than the other way round.
Vistalite
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Adding some reason behind the Alpine purchase: the manual M2C that I planned to keep indefinitely had a major engine issue (£££) likely due to it not being used enough since I purchased the GR, but in reality one of several known issues 
that left me with no confidence in using it after it's repair.
The GR is my main car and it is great but I needed to replace the BMW with a proper weekend car which the M2C isn't.
I almost purchased an Alpine GTA in the 90's but was persuaded otherwise and loved the new A110 on launch but they were still holding their values to be a viable second hand option.
Some man maths occurred, and a reasonable deal on the Alpine sealed it. I had one accompanied test drive in the actual car I bought and that was it.
My purchase in no way suggests that the GR86 is any less fun, it is fantastic but the Alpine is on another level and so it should be given the price difference.
On a separate matter, I have some 'alarming' news to tell but will not divulge until a couple of weeks time.
that left me with no confidence in using it after it's repair.The GR is my main car and it is great but I needed to replace the BMW with a proper weekend car which the M2C isn't.
I almost purchased an Alpine GTA in the 90's but was persuaded otherwise and loved the new A110 on launch but they were still holding their values to be a viable second hand option.
Some man maths occurred, and a reasonable deal on the Alpine sealed it. I had one accompanied test drive in the actual car I bought and that was it.
My purchase in no way suggests that the GR86 is any less fun, it is fantastic but the Alpine is on another level and so it should be given the price difference.
On a separate matter, I have some 'alarming' news to tell but will not divulge until a couple of weeks time.
Dal3D
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I too have been pondering a change and selling on my GR86 and to be honest, I have been since last summer.
I think things may come to a head soon though as I will need to make space for a new car and I'm never selling my Focus RS* so something has to give.
It's a shame as I've invested on the full PPF and all the other OEM+ things like the door mirror folding, Focals and sound deadenting, Window closing through Techstream and buying the software, rear window aero thing, space saver etc etc but I do have to let it all go.
I just hope a fellow enthusiast will buy it and appreciate it for the fun it provides.
*Late father connections
I think things may come to a head soon though as I will need to make space for a new car and I'm never selling my Focus RS* so something has to give.
It's a shame as I've invested on the full PPF and all the other OEM+ things like the door mirror folding, Focals and sound deadenting, Window closing through Techstream and buying the software, rear window aero thing, space saver etc etc but I do have to let it all go.
I just hope a fellow enthusiast will buy it and appreciate it for the fun it provides.
*Late father connections
Sonic
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Yup. After reading the PCGB Forum thread about GPF 'failures' (the associated article for which appears in the March issue of Porsche Post), I've decided that a 718 probably isn't for me, especially given that the GPFs are a 'when-not-if' £6k ticking time bomb replacemment. Porsche, who have never acknowledged the issue, have now added 'Particulate' Filters as an exception to their Warranty. Mmm, strange that eh?
KobayashiMaru86
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The only thing I could ever see replacing the 86 and only if I has more disposable income to do it and time to track it would be a V6 Exige. They look and sound mental. But are a far more serious proposition and would be full on toy. At least the 86 can be used daily easily and take the dog. Some said before why not Supra and a girl in work has done just that and gone GT86 to Supra. But for me it's a no because the M2C exists. But then that's also bad for big bills too. Know someone with one who drove it as a daily, serviced religiously, did one trip around the Ring not particularly hard and the diff failed.
Thanks Sonic for the breakfast read this morning. Someone did a good job in placing filter in the product name, same as DPF, punts it into the consumable catchment for owners. So they have the GPF in a 4in1 box, impressive on one hand and complex on the other hand. 981 anyone?Yup. After reading the PCGB Forum thread about GPF 'failures' (the associated article for which appears in the March issue of Porsche Post), I've decided that a 718 probably isn't for me, especially given that the GPFs are a 'when-not-if' £6k ticking time bomb replacemment. Porsche, who have never acknowledged the issue, have now added 'Particulate' Filters as an exception to their Warranty. Mmm, strange that eh?
Sonic
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Unbelievable eh!? No scheduled maintenance for it, not user replaceable, no warnings on the Dashboard that it needs clearing, just straight to Engine Management Light and a £7k bill! Apparently, some replacements are showing as 'blocked up' (even though they physically aren't) after only 10k miles. A GPF in a petrol car should last for the life of the vehicle, these aren't lumpy oil burners after all!
I love that dealerships are reportedly informing customers that they are driving too easy. Agree these should be life of vehicle. In this case it would point to a design that is trying to do all in one box, whilst it might prove as a pass in there test driving, long term actual life is clearly saying otherwise, and to your point not at any kind of high mileage, however I get if it is only driving short distances and not getting a good heat thru the system. Always went on at my father when he had Diesel cars and was driving eco all the time why he was shocked when they advised the DPF was clogged up.
In summary, this only goes to reinforce that I don’t feel at all bad when I have warmed the GR up and then have a spirited drive as I know that the GPF as well as the rest of the car will thank me for it in the longer term.
In summary, this only goes to reinforce that I don’t feel at all bad when I have warmed the GR up and then have a spirited drive as I know that the GPF as well as the rest of the car will thank me for it in the longer term.
Sonic
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"Having some trouble taking off are we Wing Commander?""Honestly Officer, I was just keeping my GPF in tip-top condition as per the user manual!
It's causing a right stink in the 718 circle by the looks of it (quite understandably), it appears that not only are Porsche expecting their customers to stump up £7-10k, I get the impression the 'failed' GPFs are being misdiagnosed and its looks to be potentially caused by faulty software. Not good. This is what happens when you get too fixed on 'computer says no'
Anyway this is a GR86 forum, if its reminded me of anything, its that I need to take my car for a good italian tune up to make sure my GPF stays squeaky clean, far too many short and gentle journeys for me recently
Anyway this is a GR86 forum, if its reminded me of anything, its that I need to take my car for a good italian tune up to make sure my GPF stays squeaky clean, far too many short and gentle journeys for me recently
GRistopher
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I do take mine for a poodle round town to the gym fairly often but it gets at least a weekly spirited drive. Often just because of the issues stated above. And it's also good to make sure the brakes don't get rusty, but mostly because it's fun 
Particulate filters are a bit of a con in my eyes. Once the engine is hot they aren't needed anyway, but the engine needs to be hot to clear out the particles. If you drive short journeys you just build up a load of crap that gets belched out into the atmosphere during a clear out cycle. Or you have to pay for a new particulate filter.
My work has thrown loads of otherwise decent vans in the bin because of repeated dpf problems. Cleaner air in towns vs extra cost and industry to make a new vehicle. I guess it's progress but sideways, not forwards.
Particulate filters are a bit of a con in my eyes. Once the engine is hot they aren't needed anyway, but the engine needs to be hot to clear out the particles. If you drive short journeys you just build up a load of crap that gets belched out into the atmosphere during a clear out cycle. Or you have to pay for a new particulate filter.
My work has thrown loads of otherwise decent vans in the bin because of repeated dpf problems. Cleaner air in towns vs extra cost and industry to make a new vehicle. I guess it's progress but sideways, not forwards.
